Professionals send Brixton property prices surging by 15%

[Gramsci]

Which is a tough one as no one can really change what class they are, only how they behave. So there are middle class people who have always lived here, and those that are new in and no issue, and some that are new in and profiteering. And probably some that always lived here and are now profiteering... and the volume now is different.

Class is not a subjective category. It is how a capitalist competitive market society like we live in is structured.

Its also linked to an unequal distribution of wealth and resources in a society and globally.

The fact that some profit and some lose out is an outcome of the above.

 

[Manter]

I know how u feel.

Time to get my pitchfork out.

Thats Violent Panda on the horse.

Oh god, more pitchforks....

 

[Manter]

Class is not a subjective category. It is how a capitalist competitive market society like we live in is structured.

Its also linked to an unequal distribution of wealth and resources in a society and globally.

The fact that some profit and some lose out is an outcome of the above.

I guess I am sensitive about it because I am part of the gentrification, and thus part of the problem. I can't help who I am (though quoted thread earlier says class is mutative over time so god knows where we'll all end up) but just by being here I and others like me are part of the distorting effect. I know the points you and VP make are not aimed at individuals, but this individual worries.

The idea of being in a global elite made me hoot with laughter, though....

 

[fortyplus]

We're seeing a whole range of things going on here.
The Brixton thing is a change in perceptions of the place, from a riot-torn hell-hole to a vibrant multicultural community, and it's mostly positive but it's bound to have an impact on property prices/rents.
London-wide we're seeing the inner "circle of deprivation" (sorry for the poor choice of words) between the burbs and the centre largely evaporating as London reverts to a classic prosperity distribution with land prices and incomes falling off steadily with distance from the centre. Rising transport costs and fuel prices have a lot to do with this.
Nationally, there's both population growth and (more significant) household formation, which is higher than population growth mostly because of a growing number of older single people.
These are all affecting the social mix and affordability of housing in Brixton and increase the need for social housing.

On the other hand the braying yahs and stocious underdressed young ladies who are making Coldharbour lane indistinguishable from Clapham High St on a Friday night might eventually have the effect of making Brixton uncool again. Even if it does bring prices down, they can fuck right off now.

 

[Manter]

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On the other hand the braying yahs and stocious underdressed young ladies who are making Coldharbour lane indistinguishable from Clapham High St on a Friday night might eventually have the effect of making Brixton uncool again. Even if it does bring prices down, they can fuck right off now.

Stocious is an underused word!

And good post

 

[nagapie]

who come here with purely instrumental concerns around using Brixton's primary schools and then selling on are desperately ugly themselves.

They only use about 3/4 of the local primaries, rest are not considered good enough.

Visited friends today who have sold their house for a pretty house to people moving in from Pimlico!

 

[ViolentPanda]

I know how u feel.

Time to get my pitchfork out.

Thats Violent Panda on the horse.

The artist got my beard to a tee. He's made me look a bit slimmer, and changed my Shire horse for something more compact, too.

 

[Manter]

The artist got my beard to a tee. He's made me look a bit slimmer, and changed my Shire horse for something more compact, too.

Your hand gestures are a bit effete. If you want to lead a revolution, you may want to work on that...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Your hand gestures are a bit effete. If you want to lead a revolution, you may want to work on that...

I'm not a vanguardist, I don't do "leading". I'm only on the horse because I'm one of yer actual cripples, like, and the comrades insisted that I ride the horse.
As for my hand gestures, all I'm doing is saying "there's Manter's gaff, lads! Should we stop off for a cuppa?"

 

[TruXta]

I'm not a vanguardist, I don't do "leading". I'm only on the horse because I'm one of yer actual cripples, like, and the comrades insisted that I ride the horse.
As for my hand gestures, all I'm doing is saying "there's Manter's gaff, lads! Should we stop off for a cuppa?"

A cup of hot pitch?

 

[ViolentPanda]

A cup of hot pitch?

Manter would be too much of a lady to greet us with anything except for a decent Broken Orange Pekoe, and you know it. Stop maligning her, you cad!

 

[Manter]

Manter would be too much of a lady to greet us with anything except for a decent Broken Orange Pekoe, and you know it. Stop maligning her, you cad!

I am saving a decent Zinfandel. Please ask the mauruading hordes to take their shoes off at the door

 

[ViolentPanda]

I am saving a decent Zinfandel. Please ask the mauruading hordes to take their shoes off at the door

The chaps say that if you leave a bowl of water out, they'll wash their feet before crossing your threshold, so as not to taint the air with the smell of sweaty feet.

 

[Manter]

The chaps say that if you leave a bowl of water out, they'll wash their feet before crossing your threshold, so as not to taint the air with the smell of sweaty feet.

How well trained! Never knew violent revolutions could be so... Polite

 

[TruXta]

After the revolution everyone will take their shoes off as they enter a house.

 

[quimcunx]

No.

 

[Manter]

I doubt that

 

[TruXta]

Heathens.

 

[Manter]

That's the problem with revolutions <<shrugs>>

 

[Gramsci]

The idea of being in a global elite made me hoot with laughter, though....

I didnt mean u. I meant the Russians for example who live in Chester Square ( renamed Red Square). Chester sq is conveniently near Sloane street shops. They use off shore front countries to buy houses/flats in London. Also Nigerians politicians so Ive been told by Nigerian in Brixton. Being a politician in Nigeria is a license to enrich oneself.

One Hyde Park flats is mostly owned by front companies.

It pushes up price of housing in central London.

Notting Hill is also area for Bankers and East European Oligarchs.

I also now see lots of Chinese in Bond street.

London a multicultural paradise for the rich.

As my Russian friend told me the Oligarchs are organised criminals/ businessmen. Even if they are "straight" now they have made there money.That is how they made their money. They like it here as the government does not bother them here. Unlike asylum seekers if ur wealthy u can come here no questions asked. Unlike Russia they do not need lots of bodyguards.

As I cycle around central London I see all this. Why it winds me up having to argue about social housing and the Rec. Plenty of wealth around in London. Its hardly hidden.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I didnt mean u. I meant the Russians for example who live in Chester Square ( renamed Red Square). Chester sq is conveniently near Sloane street shops. They use off shore front countries to buy houses/flats in London. Also Nigerians politicians so Ive been told by Nigerian in Brixton. Being a politician in Nigeria is a license to enrich oneself.

Although the focus has shifted in the last couple of years from national politicians to regional ones, who have more opportunities for pure graft than ministers etc do.

One Hyde Park flats is mostly owned by front companies.

It pushes up price of housing in central London.

Notting Hill is also area for Bankers and East European Oligarchs.

I also now see lots of Chinese in Bond street.

London a multicultural paradise for the rich.

As my Russian friend told me the Oligarchs are organised criminals/ businessmen. Even if they are "straight" now they have made there money.That is how they made their money. They like it here as the government does not bother them here. Unlike asylum seekers if ur wealthy u can come here no questions asked. Unlike Russia they do not need lots of bodyguards.

As I cycle around central London I see all this. Why it winds me up having to argue about social housing and the Rec. Plenty of wealth around in London. Its hardly hidden.

I've said it before, and on risk of being accused of being a broken record, I'll say it again: The "working classes" (i.e. the non-professional and non-keyworker employees, plus the "economically-inactive") of London will slowly but surely be compressed into small ghettos reminiscent of the Dickensian rookeries and "worker dormitories".

 

[RaverDrew]

The neighbourhood's gone to shit since the yardies all fucked off to South Norwood instead

 

[Winot]

They only use about 3/4 of the local primaries, rest are not considered good enough.

Not a bad stat though.

 

[Crispy]

Is that 75% or 3-4 out of n

 

[Winot]

Is that 75% or 3-4 out of n

Good point - I assumed 75% - Nags??

 

[nagapie]

Good point - I assumed 75% - Nags??

No, they only use about 3 or 4 of the choice primaries, that's why Lambeth's primaries are so racially and class segregated.

 

[Hollis]

Although the focus has shifted in the last couple of years from national politicians to regional ones, who have more opportunities for pure graft than ministers etc do.



I've said it before, and on risk of being accused of being a broken record, I'll say it again: The "working classes" (i.e. the non-professional and non-keyworker employees, plus the "economically-inactive") of London will slowly but surely be compressed into small ghettos reminiscent of the Dickensian rookeries and "worker dormitories".

You're talkin' about Edmonton right?

 

[editor]

Anecdotally, I have to say I'm hearing a growing chorus of resentment and unhappiness about the way that Brixton is changing, ad I'm hearing it from a very wide spectrum of people - including some of the people who own businesses in the Villaaaage.

 

[cuppa tee]

No, they only use about 3 or 4 of the choice primaries, that's why Lambeth's primaries are so racially and class segregated.

It's indicative of something when you look for information on schools in London generally that google throws up results from estate agents websites, is it acknowledged fact that property prices around schools that are sought after by the middle classes tend to be higher than those that aren't ?

 

[leanderman]

It's indicative of something when you look for information on schools in London generally that google throws up results from estate agents websites, is it acknowledged fact that property prices around schools that are sought after by the middle classes tend to be higher than those that aren't ?

Of course. There are exceptions, but the link is pretty solid.