Professionals send Brixton property prices surging by 15%

[Greebo]

and there's someone who posts here who lived in one until recently and i can tell you this, nothing had changed since then. worst condition properties i have ever seen.

Landlord's surname began with S and ended with N? If so, I can hardly believe he's still alive.

 

[bluestreak]

I have to say, you all sound a bit like inverted snobs to me. Brixton is getting ruined by prosperity!! Really? What is the history of Brixton? (and for that matter Brockley, or any of the victorian suburbs). The history of Electric Avenue, Morleys, Bon Marche?? My great aunt and uncle used to live in Dumbarton Court, bought a flat there after the war. That was well posh in those days - very yuppy - like all the 30's blocks of flats up the top of the hill.

Now there's a bit of regeneration and you're complaining that it's 'not Brixton'.

Stop moaning and enjoy Mrs Cupcakes' cupcakes and Federation Coffees' coffee and Franco Manca pizzas and Lab G ice-creams and stop being so bloody grumpy.

Oh, and the rhubarb in Brockley was grown in London's 'nightsoil' (apparently).

fuck off you rent raising yuppie shitpipe.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

No I didn't. I wouldn't have chosen to live here if I did. I made a note about the origins of Brixton - and that's the point I'm trying to make. It was created as a relatively affluent Victorian suburb - and then it declined.

You don't know your history. Read the notes that go with Booth's Poverty Map. There were big rich houses but there were always poor areas and those poor people serviced the rich, as they do now. The difference is that rich people are more prepared to live in previously poor dwellings (bijou!) and the poor are getting priced out of the area. Social housing has massively declined and it's not the poor who are living in those houses now.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

No I didn't. I wouldn't have chosen to live here if I did. I made a note about the origins of Brixton - and that's the point I'm trying to make. It was created as a relatively affluent Victorian suburb - and then it declined. Look at Notting Hill - those massive grand homes - they were squats in the sixties. The really nice massive Georgian houses at the top of Camberwell Grove - they were squats in the eighties. Affluence comes and goes, some benefit, some lose. It's cyclic and it wont stop. My great aunt watched Brixton grow poorer around her in the post war years until she moved out, as a pensioner, too scared of the crime around her, in the mid eighties. She lost out as Brixton grew poorer. And there are some that will lose out as Brixton now grows more affluent again. What you gonna do about it? I for one would rather see Brixton on the up than in decline. (And for the record I rent, and I am being priced out, and it does piss me off, but that's a different issue to whether it's pleasant to have a few nice shops around). It just feels that some of the comment on this topic had more to do with dislike for people called Jemima and Tarquin than the lack of affordable housing.

It felt like people would prefer to keep Brixton down so they could continue to afford to live here - and I question whether that is selfish.

I don't know a single person called Jemima and Tarquin and I dislike them already

Why's it selfish for poorer people to want to be able to afford to buy where they've lived for decades and/or were born but are unable to because yuppies who are willing to pay over the odds to live somewhere trendy/vibey/edgy etc. decided to move here?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

But that's far too efficient - this is Lambeth!

We'll need to embezzle/mismanage the proceeds of our crimes

 

[Greebo]

We'll need to embezzle/mismanage the proceeds of our crimes

Three letters EPT

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Landlord's surname began with S and ended with N? If so, I can hardly believe he's still alive.

You sure it didn't end in an M (middle letters being L and U?)

 

[RaverDrew]

and there's someone who posts here who lived in one until recently and i can tell you this, nothing had changed since then. worst condition properties i have ever seen.

<remembers the shared bathroom with pigeons>

 

[Greebo]

You sure it didn't end in an M (middle letters being L and U?)

No. And (given that I'm not exactly sylphlike, and neither is Him Indoors) I hate to be sizeist but in my arrogant opinion, having seen him twice (while I was helping VP to move out), the landlord was a stinking fat bastard.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

No. And (given that I'm not exactly sylphlike, and neither is Him Indoors) I hate to be sizeist but in my arrogant opinion, having seen him twice (while helping VP move out), the landlord was a stinking fat bastard.

Probably too much sitting on his arse counting his money

 

[Greebo]

<remembers the shared bathroom with pigeons>

 

[Plumdaff]

You don't know your history. Read the notes that go with Booth's Poverty Map. There were big rich houses but there were always poor areas and those poor people serviced the rich, as they do now. The difference is that rich people are more prepared to live in previously poor dwellings (bijou!) and the poor are getting priced out of the area. Social housing has massively declined and it's not the poor who are living in those houses now.

Exactly. There have always been extremely wealthy people in the conservation areas of Stockwell near where I live. What has changed in the last year or so is that the ex social housing is also being gentrified so rather than the mix that has characterised the area is being homogenised. I think it will be a real loss if central London becomes like Manhattan - it isn't the appearance of the cupcakes and the coffee that I lament as much as the disappearance of everything else.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

it isn't the appearance of the cupcakes and the coffee that I lament as much as the disappearance of everything else.

Exactly. I don't begrudge anyone their vegan cupcakes (luridly sickly-sweet though they look) as long as I can still buy my cheap potatoes and big bags of onions.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Also something feligolightly has also failed to learn from history is that a house that now contains a couple, maybe with one child, housed more and bigger families so what is now a family home often housed three large families. Look at the censuses from then. They're all online. There have even been accessible TV programmes featuring this kind of information.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

You don't know your history. Read the notes that go with Booth's Poverty Map. There were big rich houses but there were always poor areas and those poor people serviced the rich, as they do now. The difference is that rich people are more prepared to live in previously poor dwellings (bijou!) and the poor are getting priced out of the area. Social housing has massively declined and it's not the poor who are living in those houses now.

The rich moved to the poorer areas to make it easier for the poor to wipe the arses of the rich. Not as much transport then

 

[ViolentPanda]

I have to say, you all sound a bit like inverted snobs to me. Brixton is getting ruined by prosperity!! Really? What is the history of Brixton? (and for that matter Brockley, or any of the victorian suburbs). The history of Electric Avenue, Morleys, Bon Marche?? My great aunt and uncle used to live in Dumbarton Court, bought a flat there after the war. That was well posh in those days - very yuppy - like all the 30's blocks of flats up the top of the hill.

Now there's a bit of regeneration and you're complaining that it's 'not Brixton'.

I think that there's something of a difference between the gradual evolution most locales goes through, with cycles of popularity with different social groupings, and the forced evolution of gentrification ("regeneration" implies a revivification of an area for the uses of current residents. This hasn't happened on anything approaching a noticable scale).

Stop moaning and enjoy Mrs Cupcakes' cupcakes and Federation Coffees' coffee and Franco Manca pizzas and Lab G ice-creams and stop being so bloody grumpy.

Go give yourself a cupcake suppository, you bossy arse!

Oh, and the rhubarb in Brockley was grown in London's 'nightsoil' (apparently).

That's the case with most of the market garden suburbs (in London as elsewhere). The Lea Valley got most of the shite from north of the Thames, and places like Brockley and Carshalton got the southern turds.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Brixton is getting turds from all over the place now
A lot of us are getting them from a great height

 

[ViolentPanda]

l'd have thought that a simple reading of this thread would convince anyone that the fruits of gentrification are far from universally received.

Can't afford to live in Brixton any more? Never mind, have a nice cupcake as you contemplate your imminent move to somewhere you don't really want to live.

The poster appears to believe that "regeneration" and "gentrification" are synonymous, which is enough to indicate that they either have an agenda or are a bit simple.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

or just selfish

 

[bluestreak]

the poster is a massive bellend.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

the poster is a massive bellend.

Unusual restraint from you, all of a sudden.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Brixton is getting turds from all over the place now
A lot of us are getting them from a great height

It's all those penthouses

 

[ViolentPanda]

It just feels that some of the comment on this topic had more to do with dislike for people called Jemima and Tarquin than the lack of affordable housing.

So you don't see the two as being linked?

It felt like people would prefer to keep Brixton down so they could continue to afford to live here - and I question whether that is selfish.

Me, I'd just prefer if government policy over the last 30 years hadn't meant that the people of the communities I grew up in had to scatter to the four corners of the UK to find housing and employment, because gentrification alongside the removal of a fair rent system meant that there would always be someone with a bigger wedge making sure they couldn't stay put.

 

[quimcunx]

It just feels that some of the comment on this topic had more to do with dislike for people called Jemima and Tarquin than the lack of affordable housing.

It felt like people would prefer to keep Brixton down so they could continue to afford to live here - and I question whether that is selfish.

I don't hate Jemima and Tarquin for their names (well maybe a little bit, I mean come on) I hate them for the downside of 'gentrification' they symbolise.

It's possible to welcome the new additions while hating the social inequality that goes hand in hand with it.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

We don't hate Jemima and Tarquin for their names (well maybe a little bit, I mean come on) we hate them for the downside of 'gentrification' they symbolise.

Speak for yourself

I think anyone named Jemima or Tarquin deserves to be stoned with stale £2.50 cupcakes

 

[Mrs Magpie]

What about pasties?

 

[ViolentPanda]

You don't know your history. Read the notes that go with Booth's Poverty Map. There were big rich houses but there were always poor areas and those poor people serviced the rich, as they do now. The difference is that rich people are more prepared to live in previously poor dwellings (bijou!) and the poor are getting priced out of the area. Social housing has massively declined and it's not the poor who are living in those houses now.

My nan, her parents, two sisters and 3 brothers lived for a couple of years when she was a teenage girl in the ground floor of a terrace on Mayall Rd. Another family (of 7) lived on the top floor. Having been in the same house some 65 years after my nan lived there, I could barely get my head around a family of 8 living in the house, let alone a single floor of it.
You're spot-on about why they were there, too. My great-grandad was a master tailor, and my great-grannie a seamstress (with the kids all doing bits of piecework such as stitching linings etc). They also did the usual odd-jobbing that was common for working class folk, and my nan used to tell us stories about being a Shabbas Goy for wealthy Jewish households in Brixton (of which there were a fair few in the '20s and '30s). She thought it was a great joke that they didn't know that they were employing a non-observant Jew rather than a Goy.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

What about pasties?

Alright, pasties first, followed by cupcakes. Don't want them going too hungry

 

[ViolentPanda]

We'll need to embezzle/mismanage the proceeds of our crimes

Just hire Capita to manage the proceeds, then!

 

[ViolentPanda]

No. And (given that I'm not exactly sylphlike, and neither is Him Indoors) I hate to be sizeist but in my arrogant opinion, having seen him twice (while I was helping VP to move out), the landlord was a stinking fat bastard.

He certainly was a gouty peglegged old cunt.