Posh parents defend their child scrambling over Tate Modern scultpture

[Johnny Canuck3]

I probably like more modern art than most urbs,

How much do you like:

This much?


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[littlebabyjesus]

Well that's a shame as it sounds like it failed. Public artworks like that also have a function-side to them, a design aspect that involves such things as how they will wear.

There will never be consensus on this, and probably shouldn't be. I think the Angel of the North is great, for instance, but some people loathe it, and I don't quite get why.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

. So if you come to modern art not knowing anything about modern art and its various traditions, you are unlikely to be able to appreciate it -

I don't know about that. I think it's up to the artist to do the work.

If someone wants me to read Tolstoy, they should translate it into English.

Because otherwise, I don't speak the language.

 

[free spirit]

I'd put the angel of the north down as one of the great artworks of our time.

IIRC it cost less than the blue carpet...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't know about that. I think it's up to the artist to do the work.

Up to a point. You can't be starting from the beginning every time, though.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I think people are sometimes scared of laughing at artworks too. I really like it when a piece of art makes me giggle. That's a good emotional response.

Maybe you'll like this. It's from a local museum.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Where's his willy?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Up to a point. You can't be starting from the beginning every time, though.

I took art history and theory courses at uni. I digested enough to get As on the papers. But I still prefer art that I can interact with without a layer of intellectual bullshit being imposed between me and it. I understand what Basquiat was trying to do, and I respect any artist for creating. But I don't 'like' it in the way I expect art to affect me.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Where's his willy?

Maybe he's doing a tuck-behind?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I took art history and theory courses at uni. I digested enough to get As on the papers. But I still prefer art that I can interact with without a layer of intellectual bullshit being imposed between me and it. I understand what Basquiat was trying to do, and I respect any artist for creating. But I don't 'like' it in the way I expect art to affect me.

I agree with this.

But as an example, if you're into avatars (I'm not and have them switched off), mine is of a Joseph Beuys piece. You don't need to bring intellectual ideas at all to Beuys to appreciate it, imo, but you do need to understand that he's filling spaces with things in a non-representational way and that he's not trying to represent anything in the real world directly at all. I took my sister to a Beuys exhibition once, and she left in a huff after about ten minutes - she thought she must be missing something, and that she was being made to feel stupid. But it's ok to think Beuys is shit. There's lots of art I think is shit - Bridget Riley, for instance. It's boring and empty to me, but many people love it. And that's ok - there's no need for there to be a consensus.

To get all psuedy for a second, sometimes it can be a case of taking down the intellectual barriers you yourself have unconsciously erected, and just looking at what a thing is for itself.

 

[free spirit]

Maybe you'll like this. It's from a local museum.

I love the way the museum ruined it with their placement of a sign about no food and drink, and the description plaque.

I can appreciate that work, but it's a bit half arsed, though maybe that's partly down to the setting.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I agree with this.

But as an example, if you're into avatars (I'm not and have them switched off), mine is of a Joseph Beuys piece. You don't need to bring intellectual ideas at all to Beuys to appreciate it, imo, but you do need to understand that he's filling spaces with things in a non-representational way and that he's not trying to represent anything in the real world directly at all. I took my sister to a Beuys exhibition once, and she left in a huff after about ten minutes - she thought she must be missing something, and that she was being made to feel stupid. But it's ok to think Beuys is shit. There's lots of art I think is shit - Bridget Riley, for instance. It's boring and empty to me, but many people love it. And that's ok - there's no need for there to be a consensus.

I don't agree. Imo, works that form part of the visual arts must needs stand on their own. If it requires one to read the little card affixed to the wall at the gallery beside the piece, or to read a book before visiting the gallery, then the piece has failed.

[My kid made an observation once about the little cards - said that usually, one could take all the cards, shuffle them, then just stick them up beside random pieces, and they'd have just about the same value]

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I love the way the museum ruined it with their placement of a sign about no food and drink, and the description plaque.

I can appreciate that work, but it's a bit half arsed, though maybe that's partly down to the setting.

Personally, I think the food and drink sign makes the piece.... and my photo.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I rarely read the cards. That's not what I'm talking about. In fact, it is feeling the need to read the cards - or listen to the audio commentary of some curator - that can be precisely the problem. Don't read, look.

That's what I meant earlier about knowing something about a visual language. You don't learn that language by reading. You learn it by looking.

/full-on psued-mode, I do believe this stuff, though. It's not about being told how to look at something.

 

[free spirit]

Personally, I think the food and drink sign makes the piece.... and my photo.

yeah, I suspect whoever stuck it up placed it quite deliberately.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I can appreciate that work, but it's a bit half arsed, though maybe that's partly down to the setting.

Tbh, I'm still not sure how I feel about some of the pieces in that exhibition. Some of it seemed to be trying a bit too hard.

http://xtalkinthecity.com/

http://www.museumofvancouver.ca/exhibitions/exhibit/sex-talk-city

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I rarely read the cards. That's not what I'm talking about. In fact, it is feeling the need to read the cards - or listen to the audio commentary of some curator - that can be precisely the problem. Don't read, look.

That's what I meant earlier about knowing something about a visual language. You don't learn that language by reading. You learn it by looking.

/full-on psued-mode, I do believe this stuff, though.

What I'm saying is that if Beuys is unable to connect with a viewer via the piece alone, then he's failed.

[Btw I saw a great photorealism show by Beuys back in the Eighties sometime. He's taken different directions since then. ]

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I rarely read the cards. That's not what I'm talking about. In fact, it is feeling the need to read the cards - or listen to the audio commentary of some curator - that can be precisely the problem. Don't read, look.

That's what I meant earlier about knowing something about a visual language. You don't learn that language by reading. You learn it by looking.

/full-on psued-mode, I do believe this stuff, though. It's not about being told how to look at something.

I also think there is art; and then there is art society. Art society is all the shit that goes on around art: the grant applying and giving, the gallery politics etc. Art society can result in.... perversions? of the artistic process, might be one way of putting it.

But art in its true sense continues to be made all the time.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He took one particular direction in 1986.

 

[free spirit]

I just went to have a look at photos of the blue carpet, and tbf it was quite imaginative when it was first opened.

also I've realised that the guy who did this also went on to produce the cauldron for the Olympic ceremony, so all is forgiven, everything that went into getting him to the point where he could do that was money well spent IMO.

 

[xenon]

I don't agree. Imo, works that form part of the visual arts must needs stand on their own. If it requires one to read the little card affixed to the wall at the gallery beside the piece, or to read a book before visiting the gallery, then the piece has failed.

[My kid made an observation once about the little cards - said that usually, one could take all the cards, shuffle them, then just stick them up beside random pieces, and they'd have just about the same value]

I tend to think this way too. But then, I like installation art. Minimalist sculpture. Giant led pieces by the likes of Richard Sara. My disatation was about that stuff.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

My disatation was about that stuff.

Sounds like you'd be able to talk the talk.

 

[albionism]

10 million for that stack of shite.

 

[white rabbit]

If you have no appreciation or regard for the exhibits please don't go. This sort of attitude that it all belongs to us so must in some small way belong to me to treat as I please is a sad reflection of a tendency by people to see themselves as all that matters in the world. They're a blight but an all too common one, sadly.

 

[white rabbit]

If you're going to encourage your kids to be anti-establishment, won't you confuse them a little to dress them as little members of the establishment?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

If you're going to encourage your kids to be anti-establishment, won't you confuse them a little to dress them as little members of the establishment?

Brangelina are way better on that score.

 

[Ponyutd]

I was at the Tate Britain a couple of months ago.
I think I can see what the artist was trying to say here.

 

[Ponyutd]

And as for Urbans Albion getting in on the act...?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Let's get some real art in the house.

Fuckin' A!

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Let's get some real art in the house. Fuckin' A!

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