http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4913328.stm
200 police? 200?? for a little nightclub in brixton?? methinks someone's having a laugh. 200 police for 11 arrests?? somehow that doesn't seem quite right to me.
police raid/shut down brixton club.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4913328.stm
200 police? 200?? for a little nightclub in brixton?? methinks someone's having a laugh. 200 police for 11 arrests?? somehow that doesn't seem quite right to me.
Louloubelle
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John Roberts, the Metropolitan Police Authority's lead member for Lambeth, said the operation was part of a wider attempt to end the misery that drug dealing caused to the community.
Mr Roberts said: "By listening to the community and responding to their concern we can tackle drug dealing in Lambeth.
He said the operation was "part of a much bigger picture" which involved targeting "the anti-social criminality that drug dealing breeds and the misery that is causes".
He added: "People come to Brixton to have fun and enjoy the nightlife, they do not want to come to clubs where they are being peddled drugs."
Perhaps I'm being naive here but I would have though that this 'polysexual' event would have been full of people who do want to come to clubs where they are being peddled drugs.
There's a massive difference between people going clubbing and wanting to enjoy themselves and people hanging about on the street selling crack.
It seems crazy to me that the police would spend so much money on raiding a nightclub that's not causing anyone any problems when just down the road people's lives are being made a misery by crack dealers and muggers.
I suppose it's a publicity thing that shows that the police are shown to be doing something rather than actually dealing wiht the real problems that affect people in the community.
Mr Roberts said: "By listening to the community and responding to their concern we can tackle drug dealing in Lambeth.
He said the operation was "part of a much bigger picture" which involved targeting "the anti-social criminality that drug dealing breeds and the misery that is causes".
He added: "People come to Brixton to have fun and enjoy the nightlife, they do not want to come to clubs where they are being peddled drugs."
Perhaps I'm being naive here but I would have though that this 'polysexual' event would have been full of people who do want to come to clubs where they are being peddled drugs.
There's a massive difference between people going clubbing and wanting to enjoy themselves and people hanging about on the street selling crack.
It seems crazy to me that the police would spend so much money on raiding a nightclub that's not causing anyone any problems when just down the road people's lives are being made a misery by crack dealers and muggers.
I suppose it's a publicity thing that shows that the police are shown to be doing something rather than actually dealing wiht the real problems that affect people in the community.
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
This is on BBC news now
They obviously invited the media and are turing this into a PR event.
In case anyone missed the report on BBC news 24
there's a BBC reporter outside as the police rush the entrance to the club
"The police are not just after the dealers they will be searching everyone for drugs and they have said that this will include strip searches if neccessary"
Then some cutaways to rather shocked looking clubbers outside
Interviews with some clubbers who seemed angry and bewildered and were complaining that they were just going out to enjoy themselves and that they don't understand why they had to give their names and addresses to the tp the police.
Interview with senior cop: The local community are deeply concerened about drug dealing and we are responding to the concerns of our local community.
Well duuur
Perhaps the local community would prefer you do to somerthing about street dealing rather than hold some PR stunt at a gay club
jeez
They obviously invited the media and are turing this into a PR event.
In case anyone missed the report on BBC news 24
there's a BBC reporter outside as the police rush the entrance to the club
"The police are not just after the dealers they will be searching everyone for drugs and they have said that this will include strip searches if neccessary"
Then some cutaways to rather shocked looking clubbers outside
Interviews with some clubbers who seemed angry and bewildered and were complaining that they were just going out to enjoy themselves and that they don't understand why they had to give their names and addresses to the tp the police.
Interview with senior cop: The local community are deeply concerened about drug dealing and we are responding to the concerns of our local community.
Well duuur
Perhaps the local community would prefer you do to somerthing about street dealing rather than hold some PR stunt at a gay club
jeez
Chocolatbutton
Social Butterfly
The Usual Scenario
As you say LouluBell probably a publicity exercise.!!
Surely, they could've raided the local crack-house, or had a purge on the street dealers or simply targetted the alleged 'main man' prior to ruining everyones night... Wonder if they'll add any of the back stock to his arrested amount to make out it was a 'worthwhile' exercise.?
Once again, Brixton is highlighed in the news with the same old 'drug' tag & the real sufferers of community crime and drug users (lets face it, if you want it bad enuff, you can get drugs anywhere, not just nightclubs) don't get the real help they need..!
As you say LouluBell probably a publicity exercise.!!
Surely, they could've raided the local crack-house, or had a purge on the street dealers or simply targetted the alleged 'main man' prior to ruining everyones night... Wonder if they'll add any of the back stock to his arrested amount to make out it was a 'worthwhile' exercise.?
Once again, Brixton is highlighed in the news with the same old 'drug' tag & the real sufferers of community crime and drug users (lets face it, if you want it bad enuff, you can get drugs anywhere, not just nightclubs) don't get the real help they need..!
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
The police really know how to make themselves look like cack-handed wankers don't they?
It wasn't a "police" statement. It was a fucking politician.The Groke said:
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
detective-boy said:
Imagine someone thinking the Metropolitan Police Authority had something to do with the police eh? Bizarre.
So you turn up to a club which may contain 200 plus people. With a plan to arrest maybe half a dozen identified dealers and, probably, their immediate last customers (as the final piece of the evidential jigsaw you've been putting together). So you turn up with about thirty officers that you SHOULD need to actually do the things you've got to do if everyone co-operates.topaz said:200 police for 11 arrests?? somehow that doesn't seem quite right to me.
But you get there and there are more people than you thought. And the door staff and management are obstructive as you try to get in. Words spreads and a significant number of the customers begin to resist. Some of your officers start to be assaulted, and arrests begin to be made for assault offences. Any hope of gathering any evidence against your main targets has gone and with it any chance of getting the prosecution you needed to have any impact on their activities. You call for assistance and a random selection of officers with no prior knowledge or briefing turn up. They immediately weigh in to start arresting those causing disorder and the situation escalates. Things start getting broken and thrown. Eventually, an hour or more later, the club is closed and the crowd dispersed.
Several officers have been injured and are likely to sue the force for failing to take suitable steps to ensure their safety, costing lots of taxpayers pounds. Several members of the public have been injured, including some by police officers. They allege that excessive force was used, making a complaint to the IPCC which costs lots more taxpayers pounds. One has been hit by a badly-aimed bottle thrown at the police. They have a fractured skull and may die. A murder enquiry is launched costing more ...
You get the idea ...
200 officers (and I suspect the number is something of an exaggeration anyway) would be a number which has been selected to ensure that the operation achieves it's aims with no downsides.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
detective-boy said:
Would you like to explain the UPSIDES of this then?
Imagine someone being so fucking stupid as to not realise the difference between the police service (i.e. police officers) and a police authority (i.e. politicians, magistrates, lay members) even when it is spelt out for them in size 7 letters. Pathetic.Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
The principal targetted dealers have been arrested.Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
The best possible evidence of their activities has been secured.
There has been no public disorder.
No-one has got hurt.
Nothing has been broken.
And, if the club had been failing to co-operate with the police in finding other acceptable ways to deal with drug misuse, they have been dealt with a may lose their licence (which should please the vast majority of club owners who DO try their best).
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
detective-boy said:
Bollocks. Your using huge letters like that makes it look like you considered the Groke to be an idiot for not knowing the difference. I have no idea of the precise relationship between the Police and the Metropolitan Police Authority, I doubt many people do and I don't see a great deal of reason why they should, tbh. It seems reasonable to assume they're fairly closely connected, especially as the tone of the statement is of someone who is part of the action. Note the phrase 'WE are tackling drug dealing.'
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
detective-boy said:
You must know that most clubs in London are full of people taking drugs.
I've been to gay clubs with my friends and there were insane amounts of drugs being consumed, however, it seemed obvious to me that the use of drugs was contained to those within the clubs and that the people inside were causing no problems for the people outside the club whatsoever.
While I appreciate that it's against the law to take illegal drugs I fail to understand how spending massive amounts of money to raid a gay nightclub for drugs should be a priority for the police when the streets outside are full of dangerous crack dealers.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
detective-boy said:
The last three could have been accomplished by not raiding the club, couldn't they.
And as for the other two, as is being repeatedly pointed out, that's a massive use of resources to nick a few minor dealers (and apparently warning people for possession of two pills.)
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
You having trouble understanding text ?Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
"John Roberts, the Metropolitan Police Authority's lead member for Lambeth, said the operation was part of a wider attempt to end the misery that drug dealing caused to the community."
That was the motivation and purpose. You don't like it, that's fine. But that's what it was intended to address.
This was the event
Polysexual South
Polysexual South having scored her first birthday dives into her second year of mayhem with a line up packed with first timers! First up, cutting edge production legend, master of the decks and all round show stopper, Mr. James Lawson. The next debutee has been called the godfather of hard dance, and was there from its inception some 15 years ago. It could be none other than the stomping IAN M. Yes you read it right! IAN M and he’ll be taking no prisoners!
And now for the biggie! Polysexual welcome the master of all things A.L.I.V.E …. Mr GREG BROOKMAN ! A showcase is not to be missed, for it will be Greg’s last live show for at least 4 months , as he ventures into the studio for some quality tunage time !!
Another debut and its two young boys – it had to be really didn’t it. All the way from tidy land the harder than hard JP & Jukesy. Polysexual South wouldn’t be an event without its trusted Northern resident and so Hinsley makes his usual appearance along side Dr Duzzit and rising star Andy McCall.
Polysexual bring back the Hardcore for this April Fiasco and what better way to make it that little bit more crazy than to call in your hosts for room two - The Nu Energy Collective who with Mark Ashley, Ethos, Matt Style and Petruccio will deliver hardcore like you’ve never heard it before. Keep your ears peeled for Matt Style’s set – the whole thing will be plucked from 1995!
With MCs: Ethos, Rizla Dizla & Obie, room two will be a rocking till dawn!
POLYSEXUAL SOUTH
Greg Brookman (Live), Ian M, James Lawson, JP & Jukesy, Hinsley, Dr Duzzit, Andy McCall
Hardcore: Mark Ashley, Ethos, Matt Style, Petruccio, Ethos, Rizla Dizla, Obie
Saturday 15th April 2006
10pm – 6am
The Fridge , London , SW2
£15 in advance/Motd
Polysexual South
Polysexual South having scored her first birthday dives into her second year of mayhem with a line up packed with first timers! First up, cutting edge production legend, master of the decks and all round show stopper, Mr. James Lawson. The next debutee has been called the godfather of hard dance, and was there from its inception some 15 years ago. It could be none other than the stomping IAN M. Yes you read it right! IAN M and he’ll be taking no prisoners!
And now for the biggie! Polysexual welcome the master of all things A.L.I.V.E …. Mr GREG BROOKMAN ! A showcase is not to be missed, for it will be Greg’s last live show for at least 4 months , as he ventures into the studio for some quality tunage time !!
Another debut and its two young boys – it had to be really didn’t it. All the way from tidy land the harder than hard JP & Jukesy. Polysexual South wouldn’t be an event without its trusted Northern resident and so Hinsley makes his usual appearance along side Dr Duzzit and rising star Andy McCall.
Polysexual bring back the Hardcore for this April Fiasco and what better way to make it that little bit more crazy than to call in your hosts for room two - The Nu Energy Collective who with Mark Ashley, Ethos, Matt Style and Petruccio will deliver hardcore like you’ve never heard it before. Keep your ears peeled for Matt Style’s set – the whole thing will be plucked from 1995!
With MCs: Ethos, Rizla Dizla & Obie, room two will be a rocking till dawn!
POLYSEXUAL SOUTH
Greg Brookman (Live), Ian M, James Lawson, JP & Jukesy, Hinsley, Dr Duzzit, Andy McCall
Hardcore: Mark Ashley, Ethos, Matt Style, Petruccio, Ethos, Rizla Dizla, Obie
Saturday 15th April 2006
10pm – 6am
The Fridge , London , SW2
£15 in advance/Motd
Greebozz said:
I didn't dare ask.
So fucking find out.Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
Read the fucking paper, they're in it all the time.
And you should know, because it is THEM who are representing you and telling the police what to do on your behalf.
This failure to identify what the police can and cannot do is at the heart of half the fucking whinges people have. Shouting at them to change the law is about as fucking helpful as shouting at them to change the weather.
2 Hardcore
mad old bat
Originally Posted by Greebozz
Does anyone know what sort of night was on at the fridge, and what the clientle was?
In terms of clientele, Polysexual is a mixed night, allsorts - gay, straight, young and old(er).
Gutted - love the Fridge, and hope this won't mean the end a some cracking nights there (Innovate, Vicious Circle, Twisted).
Does anyone know what sort of night was on at the fridge, and what the clientle was?
In terms of clientele, Polysexual is a mixed night, allsorts - gay, straight, young and old(er).
Gutted - love the Fridge, and hope this won't mean the end a some cracking nights there (Innovate, Vicious Circle, Twisted).
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
Maggot said:
I, too, think that police resources could've been better used and I'm guessing this was a big media ploy tbh..
But I don't necessarily agree with your statement. I think that there are knock on effects from dealing coke and pills - especially at the higher end of the scale - which do affect the community. It can seem harmless to us buying some pill off some bloke in a club but at some point up the ladder people are affected adversely..
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