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butchersapron said:
What if you've not argued that being abusive is wrong? How is that hypocritical ? You're making yourself look daft by this refusal to have a look whilst spending time posting and reading this thread.
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So let me get this right. You don't think ML was being abusive? Tbf I have read some of it but kind of turned off after the initial spat because it wasn't really going anywhere apart from "you're a cunt" "no, you are".
 
butchersapron said:
What if you've not argued that being abusive is wrong? How is that hypocritical ? You're making yourself look daft by this refusal to have a look whilst spending time posting and reading this thread.
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Sorry, I misread that. Ok so it's not wrong to be abusive. So where was ML going wrong then because all I could see was you weighing in due to him being nasty and abusive. What was the reason for your comments?
 
Sometimes folks go haywire whether they have addictions or not .. I say that from my own experience of myself and other people
It's a good thing that it's being allowed to be discussed never mind the arguments etc on this site imo

Life experiences can destroy you but mostly temporarily until we do snuff it and all dialogue in between is best when it's in the open .. my mate Kenny is an absolute lesson re that .. he'll tell you every little nuance of his life and it's a tonic to hear

Some folks find it uncomfortable but he always does it with a huge smile and repetitive as you like lol .. wisdom can only come from discourse of all shapes <pukes at self>

It's a big positive imo
 
butchersapron said:
Guess what you need to do to do get your answers? You're letting him make a mug out of you with each refusal.
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And we're back to my point that you don't have to be abusive because he is and that he's mentally ill and you're not and therefore you could be the bigger person. There are plenty of people, including Soj who has a better reason than you to be slinging shit, who have just walked away. You're trying to make out as if there's some justification in this thread for your nasty and abusive comments. I won't find that because I don't agree that there ever is. Let's leave it there eh.
 
Bob Marley's Dad said:
And we're back to my point that you don't have to be abusive because he is and that he's mentally ill and you're not and therefore could be the bigger person. There are plenty of people, including Soj who has a better reason than you to be slinging shit, who have just walked away. You're trying to make out as if there's some justification in this thread for your nasty and abusive comments. I won't find that because I don't agree that there ever is. Let's leave it there eh.
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No, we're back to you not reading the thread and there being nowhere to go with this until you do. He's mugged you - with your own help.
 
If you want to understand the dynamics of what happened, you need to actually look at what happened! Anything else is just bullshit.
 
butchersapron said:
No, we're back to you not reading the thread and there being nowhere to go with this until you do. He's mugged you - with your own help.
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Maybe but I see it like this -

ML's comments were shit, horrible nasty and abusive. He takes no responsibility for them and that's shit too. You see him as fair game because of his comments and said some pretty nasty and abusive stuff back. I don't think that you were trying to sort anything out, more that that's just what you're like at times. You would like me to mine the thread for answers to my pov that there's never a justification in speaking to someone like that, in the conviction that I will find out I'm wrong and that there is. I won't because I don't believe there ever is. I can't be more clear than that. If you want me to engage with this any more then make a more convincing argument about what I've said.
 
rorymac said:
I think Meth Lab is a great poster .. he doesn't half get some stuff wrong (but who doesn't tbf) even re drugs and I'd tell him that to his face if I met him irl
But he adds a tenure to the forum and long may it continue imo
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Agreed, I was just thinking it would be boring without him here.

I do always have this internal conflict with methlab. To what extent do you make allowances for his behaviour when you know he's in a bad way, and to what extent to you challenge the behaviour which is often way out of line.

On the whole I think it's a credit to u75 the way people react - but sometimes meth can be so frustrating to reason with that even the most patient of souls end up losing the rag with him. And I don't think they can be completely blamed for that either.
 
tar1984 said:
Agreed, I was just thinking it would be boring without him here.

I do always have this internal conflict with methlab. To what extent do you make allowances for his behaviour when you know he's in a bad way, and to what extent to you challenge the behaviour which is often way out of line.

On the whole I think it's a credit to u75 the way people react - but sometimes meth can be so frustrating to reason with that even the most patient of souls end up losing the rag with him. And I don't think they can be completely blamed for that either.
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I think you challenge it every time it happens. I think we all should do that and be completely clear that there is no place for it here. I just don't think there's any profit in mixing that up with abuse. It's like smacking a child for hitting another child. Completely incomprehensible to me. And yes, I do think ML has some very childlike behaviours.
 
Bob Marley's Dad said:
I think you challenge it every time it happens. I think we all should do that and be completely clear that there is no place for it here. I just don't think there's any profit in mixing that up with abuse. It's like smacking a child for hitting another child. Completely incomprehensible to me. And yes, I do think ML has some very childlike behaviours.
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Fair enough, there is absolutely no justification for abuse.

There is always the chance that he might act out of line towards someone who is also in a bad way, and at that point not capable of rising above it so sometimes people lashing back can be understandable. I know I have been pretty harsh on meth and felt extremely guilty about it afterwards, but at the time just couldn't handle his behaviour in a rational way (being extremely drunk & depressed, and seeing him spam the hell out of a thread I started with off-topic abuse).
 
tar1984 said:
Fair enough, there is absolutely no justification for abuse.

There is always the chance that he might act out of line towards someone who is also in a bad way, and at that point not capable of rising above it so sometimes people lashing back can be understandable. I know I have been pretty harsh on meth and felt extremely guilty about it afterwards, but at the time just couldn't handle his behaviour in a rational way (being extremely drunk & depressed, and seeing him spam the hell out of a thread I started with off-topic abuse).
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tar, I am not the Dalai Lama. I will get angry and spout off and be abusive and all that shit but I still think it's worth saying what I've said. I don't blame others for being like that either. But that doesn't mean I am just going to sit here and look at this thread and do nowt.
 
Bob Marley's Dad said:
tar, I am not the Dalai Lama. I will get angry and spout off and be abusive and all that shit but I still think it's worth saying what I've said. I don't blame others for being like that either. But that doesn't mean I am just going to sit here and look at this thread and do nowt.
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Yeah ok, I just wanted to share my meanderings on it too. I'm not saying you are wrong to say what you have.
 
Bob Marley's Dad said:
I think you challenge it every time it happens. I think we all should do that and be completely clear that there is no place for it here. I just don't think there's any profit in mixing that up with abuse. It's like smacking a child for hitting another child. Completely incomprehensible to me. And yes, I do think ML has some very childlike behaviours.
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How far do people have to make allowances though? Recently I ended up on the receiving end of a load of shit from ML for making a suggestion (just one, politely and respectfully) he didn't like. He properly got a bee in his bonnet about me and started telling lies and abusing me over various different threads (threads I wasn't involved in). It was a completely over the top reaction which went from personal abuse, lies being told about me through to threats of suicide. Why should anyone have to put up with that?

I decided not to engage any further, for various reasons including Meth's increasingly obvious fragility, reported the posts and left it but it didn't sit very well with me allowing someone to behave like that - I just decided I couldn't be arsed with the hassle (the same reason I've kept my trap shut through this discussion up until now). Sojourner appears to have done the same but again, why the fuck should she? Meth behaved disgracefully towards her for trying to help him and increasingly seems to be doing the same to anyone regardless.

Now there's mental illness and there's being a bit of a cunt. One doesn't mean the other so why should other people put up with that behaviour?
 
I don't think you should have to put up with that at all. The thing that stopped me from weighing in when I saw him being shitty with you was because I could see you dealt with it and thought that I would just be making it worse if I did get involved. But yeah, where is the line?

I suppose the line is that less and less people have time for ML due to his abusive behaviours. Eventually there will be very few who will engage with him unless he changes his tune. Does that compensate those who have been abused by him in the meantime? No.

Idk Glitter, I don't have any answers really and I'm certainly not here to apologise for his behaviour, it's shit and damages the community. I just don't think that throwing abuse back leads anywhere constructive but I get that sometimes it's not about that, it's just about feeling angry and frustrated and letting him know that.
 
I agree. And I think the fact that people do care about him a lot and want to help him is a) testament to the fact that he has a lot to give and people genuinely like him a lot and b) the reason he's being given a lot of leeway.

Hopefully he'll get some help. I think that's all anyone wants really.
 
@glitter

How far do people have to make allowances though? Recently I ended up on the receiving end of a load of shit from ML for making a suggestion (just one, politely and respectfully) he didn't like. He properly got a bee in his bonnet about me and started telling lies and abusing me over various different threads (threads I wasn't involved in). It was a completely over the top reaction which went from personal abuse, lies being told about me through to threats of suicide. Why should anyone have to put up with that?
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you maybe wanna show me those threads? i remember maybe 1 or 2 mild digs but ive not mentioned you more than 3 times i think it was only twice, but if you say so..show me.

i gotta pm a mod a sec, but yea on your own time show me where ive been telling lies and abusing you.. im sure everyone would love to see it coz if your right thats more ammo for you init.

regarding butchers, weve never got on..ever!
so i dunno if he right wing left wing middle wing or anywing,
i do know to me that none of that shit means anything

im not political it seems to be the 'big thing' in his life as drugs are to me but i really couldant give a shit what catagory you place me in, so one more time right wing left wing middle wing anywing i dont care coz to me they dont mean anything. (cept for being cunts in suits)

i kinda like the bit about you payin for my benefits though, word! (yes i did that on purpose to anoy him)

im have to PM a mod a sec
 
I respect your politics ML .. same as mine generally
All the same there are people in politics who are trying their arses off to do good stuff .. you have to realise that as well

Aaaaand see how well you are liked on here tbf

You are a great poster
 
If I have a criticism it's that your advice on the drugs forum can be a touch wild .. like cos it's you folks might think it's good advice when it's not
I'd ease back on that and maybe just share tbh
 
rorymac said:
I respect your politics ML .. same as mine generally
All the same there are people in politics who are trying their arses off to do good stuff .. you have to realise that as well

Aaaaand see how well you are liked on here tbf

You are a great poster
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im not getting that impression lol, ive just pm'd 3 mods with my situation coz it aint really public.

thanx for the pm rory, appreciated.
 
Your'e welcome ML

It was nothing private really and our mental states are best to be out there anyway imo

It's a great thing to be able to express ourselves on a site such as this and tolerance is what it's all about .. none of us are perfect !
 
I see a pencil on my desk,
Beside my keyboard.
I pick it up,
Roll it between finger and thumb,
And twirl it between my fingers.
But it's not as satisfying as tonguing your labia.
 
I've just got in
After several pints
And I can't be arsed
With this thread.
Maybe I should put it
In the bin.

Cardiff City
Bluebirds.

*wipes tear from eye after penning such beautiful prose
 
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