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I know that they are all in different genres of entertainment in a way, but they are all successful from being transgressive, and they are hilarious to mr

What do you think of these people?

I could write about how each one of them individually is doing something good, but it would be more interesting to hear why people hate them
 
CK's a sex case, Rogan's too boring to actually listen to but probably slightly dangerous and I don't have a clue who the other two are.

I'm not really sure what transgressive means in contemporary US culture anyway. Their President is openly racist, sexist and disablist and there's a race/civil war going on. What exactly are they transgressing? CK really shows how paper thin the whole concept of transgressive comedy is anyway. Being a sex case has completely undermined his whole right on dick jokes schtick.
 
I wouldn't lump then together as people, they all seem very different.

Their common factor is that they have a high proportion of youtube comment fans who are absolute dicks, and try to elevate them from being comedians up to being some kind of warriors in a made-up culture war against "snowflakes". When I think most of them are just trying to be (very wealthy and successful) comedians.
 
Joe Rogan is also the odd one out because he's not a comedian, he's a podcast hustler who I suspect is used by people who are cleverer than him. Also way richer than all the others.
 
Ok I didn't write that well. I was drunk. The reason that I tied them all together is because they are all wildly successful and they have filled some gap in pop culture. Louis and Rogan are from the same generation of comedians and, like Marc Maron and Bill Burr, they are a part of some thing that is interesting in itself how stand upcomedy has been elevated in the USA. I would equate it to how liberal people like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert kind of replaced the news for a time,. But let's start with Joe Rogan

He has the most successful podcast in the English speaking world and people take him very seriously, it's ridiculous to write him off. I mean even if you don't like him, aren't you interested why this guy has the most popular podcast in the world where he does 2 or 3 hour long unscripted interviews?
He gets people like Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk to come and do 2 hour long interviews, he had Bernie Sanders on and endorsed him which was front page news in the USA, it's redundant to just say 'I don't like his podcast'
I think that the association that he got with the 'alt-right' was very interesting in itself because you can see the path, he had a load of those (shudders to say it) 'intellectual dark web' people like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris on and they were wildly popular, and then he started having these alt-right people, but he seems to be moving away from that because those people are pretty toxic.
 
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He has the most successful podcast in the English speaking world and people take him very seriously, it's ridiculous to write him off. I mean even if you don't like him, aren't you interested why this guy has the most popular podcast in the world where he does 2 or 3 hour long unscripted interviews?
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no.
 
He’s given a platform to some dangerous people who should be denied one.
He’s a cheerleader for all sorts of dodgy shit.
And he’s an unfunny bore.
 
freakydave said:
I know that they are all in different genres of entertainment in a way, but they are all successful from being transgressive, and they are hilarious to mr

What do you think of these people?

I could write about how each one of them individually is doing something good, but it would be more interesting to hear why people hate them
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I think you should fuck off. Because you’re a misogynist turd
 
belboid said:
I think you should fuck off. Because you’re a misogynist turd
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You shouldn't just say that to people who you don't know for no reason. That actually hurt my feelings even though I don't know who you are

If you are really against hatred then what do you think that you will achieve by just insulting someone you don't know based on their taste in mass media? come on man
 
freakydave said:
Ok I didn't write that well. I was drunk. The reason that I tied them all together is because they are all wildly successful and they have filled some gap in pop culture. Louis and Rogan are from the same generation of comedians and, like Marc Maron and Bill Burr, they are a part of some thing that is interesting in itself how stand upcomedy has been elevated in the USA. I would equate it to how liberal people like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert kind of replaced the news for a time,. But let's start with Joe Rogan

He has the most successful podcast in the English speaking world and people take him very seriously, it's ridiculous to write him off. I mean even if you don't like him, aren't you interested why this guy has the most popular podcast in the world where he does 2 or 3 hour long unscripted interviews?
He gets people like Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk to come and do 2 hour long interviews, he had Bernie Sanders on and endorsed him which was front page news in the USA, it's redundant to just say 'I don't like his podcast'
I think that the association that he got with the 'alt-right' was very interesting in itself because you can see the path, he had a load of those (shudders to say it) 'intellectual dark web' people like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris on and they were wildly popular, and then he started having these alt-right people, but he seems to be moving away from that because those people are pretty toxic.
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most popular? Citation needed.
 
freakydave said:
You shouldn't just say that to people who you don't know for no reason. That actually hurt my feelings even though I don't know who you are

If you are really against hatred then what do you think that you will achieve by just insulting someone you don't know based on their taste in mass media? come on man
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It’s based upon everything you post. You’re a sad creep
 
This thread is just horrible

I like those guys, the reason that I like them is because they are very open about being insecure. Yes they are not really, they have turned themselves into millionaires by working out how to put that insecurity into words. I'm sorry for starting it
 
Not sure how that is admirable.
And in CK’s case, he’s monetised his own crimes by hiding in plain sight. And he still has a career, cos people are prepared to overlook his abuse cos he’s funny.
And Joe Rogan continues to legitimatise the likes of dangerous loons like Alex Jones. Fuck him.
 
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This thread is just horrible

I like those guys, the reason that I like them is because they are very open about being insecure. Yes they are not really, they have turned themselves into millionaires by working out how to put that insecurity into words. I'm sorry for starting it
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What’s the merit in that though?

Commodifying and marketing your personal shit is just another kind of consumerism.


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L’art pour l’art I guess.
 
rutabowa said:
I think the key is to not like celebrities who you will never meet or know! Enjoy their work, or not, but don't think of them like friends and don't be a fan.
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I love Frank Ocean, he's been world famous since he was about 18 and he always sings about being on drugs so I doubt I'd get on with him. Still love him though
 
freakydave said:
I love Frank Ocean, he's been world famous since he was about 18 and he always sings about being on drugs so I doubt I'd get on with him. Still love him though
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you love his work, not him! you don't know him! I know that's probably what you meant but it is a key difference imo.

Not getting too invested with entertainers as people means you don't end up defending them when they have done indefensible stuff, and also means it won't upset you when people express negative opinions about them as people.
 
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