Pc David Rathband (Raoul Moat victim) dead

[mrs quoad]

Link: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/891799-policeman-blinded-in-raoul-moat-shooting-spree-found-dead

Posting this thread bc the other one's still aimed some way off to the side of Rathband's death.

Posted from the Moat vs Bird thread, without some of the preceding (relevant) comments bc bringing them across'd be too much cut n pasting.

Every time I heard him on r4, he was seething with anger, self-pity and pain. Interviews I kinda walked away from thinking "crikey, there's someone it'd be difficult to have a chat with down the pub (or alternative place of socialisation)."

Or, more often, just kinda thinking "whoaaa.... Ouch. There's someone who just isn't ok."

Very understandable, but... he clearly wasn't able to adjust to, accept or get over what'd happened in any way, or to any extent.

E2a: IMU the breakdown with his wife was, in least at part, violent. I know he had real difficulties changing to someone who wasn't a "man" in the sense of a strong, traditional provider.

 

[Perroquet]

hard to imagine what he was going through and sad to think this was the only option he though the had.

RIP.

 

[weltweit]

Also at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-17216389

 

[moomoo]

Tragic.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Very sad and I feel for his wife

 

[FoxyRed]

More like murder than suicide. So sad

 

[gabi]

Yes.. very sad. I heard an old clip of him talking on R5 this morning, saying that he couldn't see how he could even get thru the next 12 months, being blind... seemed an eloquent and decent man from what i could hear.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Poor guy. I wonder how much support he was actually getting? He started a charity to help servicepeople injured in the line of duty so presumably there wasn't much help/support before that?

 

[Spymaster]

Very sad.

R.I.P. PC Rathband.

 

[editor]

Poor bugger.

 

[yardbird]

Poor sod.
RIP

 

[kabbes]

In many ways, David Rathband was also a victim of Raoul Moat.

 

[Spymaster]

In many ways, David Rathband was also a victim of Raoul Moat.

He was absolutely a victim of Raoul Moat.

 

[kabbes]

He was absolutely a victim of Raoul Moat.

Let's not be hasty.

 

[Spymaster]

Moat shot him in the face.

 

[5t3IIa]

Let's not be hasty.

I sense a long game here.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

He was a victim of Moat when he was blinded. However his own personality flaws caused him to fail to come to terms with the hand he was dealt, a hand that many other people are also dealt and adapt to without the seething anger displayed by this poor soul.

 

[kabbes]

Moat shot him in the face.

He certainly did. In a way, Moat shot all of us in the face.

 

[Spymaster]

In a way, Moat shot all of us in the face.

In what way?

 

[kabbes]

In what way?

Indeed, Spy, indeed.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

However his own personality flaws caused him to fail to come to terms with the hand he was dealt, a hand that many other people are also dealt and adapt to without the seething anger displayed by this poor soul.

True, but everyone reacts differently to such a trauma. Some people get on with it and cope, some people don't. I'd hardly call it a personality flaw because he didn't cope

 

[Spymaster]

He was a victim of Moat when he was blinded. However his own personality flaws caused him to fail to come to terms with the hand he was dealt, a hand that many other people are also dealt and adapt to without the seething anger displayed by this poor soul.

He may not have died of the injuries caused by Moat but he almost certainly died as a result of his actions. Ergo, he is very definitely a victim of Moat.

 

[Zabo]

True, but everyone reacts differently to such a trauma. Some people get on with it and cope, some peoople don't. I'd hardly call it a personality flaw because he didn't cope

Exactly Minnie. There is no fixed template.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...nd_interview_BBC_responds_to_iPlayer_critics/

 

[kabbes]

He may not have died of the injuries caused by Moat but he almost certainly died as a result of his actions. Ergo, he is very definitely a victim of Moat.

That's right. In some ways, he is also a victim.

 

[ymu]

He was a victim of Moat when he was blinded. However his own personality flaws caused him to fail to come to terms with the hand he was dealt, a hand that many other people are also dealt and adapt to without the seething anger displayed by this poor soul.

Just to echo what Minnie said, that is a massively judgemental statement. All of us have things we could cope with and things we could not, and none of us know what those things are until and unless we are faced with them.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That's right. In some ways, he is also a victim.

Not sure this is a good thread to be obtuse on. I don't see any target worthy of piss-taking.

 

[kabbes]

Not sure this is a good thread to be obtuse on. I don't see any target worthy of piss-taking.

I was taking the piss out of beard-stroking generally, but maybe you're right.

 

[5t3IIa]

Just to echo what Minnie said, that is a massively judgemental statement. All of us have things we could cope with and things we could not, and none of us know what those things are until and unless we are faced with them.

I'd think that with the high-profile of the whole thing he'd have had every opportunity for counselling. This outcome seems doubly odd.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Poor bugger. If only more policemen were like him.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I'd think that with the high-profile of the whole thing he'd have had every opportunity for counselling. This outcome seems doubly odd.

True, but counselling doesn't work for everyone, and not everyone wants counselling whether they need it or not. (I have no idea whether he had counselling)