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How much RAM does it have (pageable not SD)? the iPhone has a rather measley 128mb.

This palm also uses the latest ARM cortext processor which is a major step up from the iPhone's rather dated ARM that runs about half the speed.

I would've thought this is your dream phone Ed, made by Palm, hardware keyboard, all the iPhone good stuff but not made by Apple.
 
Structaural said:
How much RAM does it have (pageable not SD)? the iPhone has a rather measley 128mb.
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They haven't announced that yet.

It's certainly looking like a great phone, but if I buy it, it'll because of its features, specs and UI, not because it's a Palm. After all, the Palm OS I've been using for years has vanished: this is an entirely new thing and I'd be just excited by this phone regardless of who came up with it.
 
The Pre is not the only webOS-based device planned.
During the Pre's fanfare-packed intro, Palm CEO Ed Colligan mentioned that webOS would serve as Palm's platform "for the next decade." So unless the company plans to offer nothing but the Pre for the next 10 years (hint: they don't), there will be plenty of hardware variations from which to choose -- just like the Palm OS of old.
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I was re-reading some of the press cutting on this and then I saw this! Haha.

A decade! Lets compare and contrast now with 10 years ago shall we.

Window 98 was in full swing, running in a huge 16Mb ram (a decent DSLR camera takes pictures bigger than that) running on a massively powerful 486DX2-66. My current desktop has 4 cpu's running 45 times faster than that with 128 times as much memory, with my lowly 2Gb.

Hard disks were about 3Gb. I've 300 times that in my machine and its not a lot by some. I need to upgrade.

5Ks download was your lot.

My mobile phone looked like this

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Sony's 1st PDA the P800 wasn't released till 2002.

How dated will the WebOS be in 10 years time, it will be irrelevant in 3 years or less.
 
Unix is 39 years old...

But a hell of a lot can happen in the computer industry in 10 years (especially as it seems to grow exponentially). I expect my phone to be incorporated into my contact lenses by then...
 
Lazy Llama said:
Depends how they define "WebOS".
Linux is still looking okay after more than 10 years :)
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The Linux/Unix Kernel is fine, its based on computer science principals which is a small branch of maths.

What your saying there is that PI is a good way of defining the ratio of the radius of a circle to its circumference. No?! Really?

webOS looks a bit more dependant on current hardware and software. The speed at which the world moves in those circles, in 3 years we will be onto v2 of all these phones and some other upstart will have something that kicks them all in the teeth.

Remember how 80's music sounds, computer hardware that's 3 years old looks like 80's music sounds.
 
10 years from now, there will be completely different screen, network and interface technology that will make webOS look like a stone tablet
 
Are you confusing the OS with the UI?

Or are you and Sunray really saying that no current OS will be in use in 10 years because the IO devices will have changed. Or is only WebOS affected in some strange hardware-dependent way that you know about?
 
Sunray said:
The Linux/Unix Kernel is fine, its based on computer science principals which is a small branch of maths.

What your saying there is that PI is a good way of defining the ratio of the radius of a circle to its circumference. No?! Really?
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In what way is saying that Linux is still in use more than 10 years on like saying anything about Pi? I think I lost the analogy somewhere.

Do you think that the Linux kernel is mathematically 'perfect'?
Ask Andrew Tanenbaum about that one.... :D
 
Operating system kernels are based on the same distinct principals. They are unavoidable principals. So much so that some of those principals are directly supported in hardware, atomic writes for instance.

No matter how complex the hardware and software, those founding principals remain constant, like PI. Hence the longevity of the Unix kernel.
 
I still don't see any relevance of that to why WebOS can't possibly be in use in 10 years time. There are operating systems that are built on those principles which aren't around any more. Remember BeOS*?

After all, by Tanenbaum's definition of an operating system**, WebOS is Linux.

The ability of an OS to survive is partly dependent on its ability to adapt to new technologies, and unless you have a good reason to believe WebOS cannot be changed to handle new technologies, given the information that's been released about it, I see no reason why it shouldn't be around in another 10 years. The UI might look different, but that doesn't mean it's not WebOS underneath. As I said in my post, it depends on how you define WebOS.



* - Some bits of BeOS (but not the kernel) are now part of ALP which almost brings us back on-topic.
** - Modern Operating Systems - Tanenbaum, A The OS is the kernel, everything else is hardware, system programs or applications
 
Can you not see the flaw in what your saying, the OS its running on is based upon a 40 year old OS.

The rest is targetted at hardware and software that have evolved at a huge speed. In ten years webOS will not be relevant.
 
I was talking to a journo yesterday who went to the CES show and he said people was falling over themselves to get on to the Palm store, such was the buzz.

Here's Palm's round up of the coverage: http://blog.palm.com/palm/2009/01/a-brief-history-of-the-palm-pre-.html

Who'd have ever thought that Palm could have pulled this out of the bag? They're like a boxer who spent the last three rounds on the canvas narrowly avoiding being counted out and then they've suddenly comeback with a knock out punch!
 
Sunray said:
Can you not see the flaw in what your saying, the OS its running on is based upon a 40 year old OS.

The rest is targeted at hardware and software that have evolved at a huge speed. In ten years webOS will not be relevant.
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Why can't WebOS evolve too?

How do you know so much about it, that you can say it can't cope with any future hardware or software changes?
 
editor said:
I was talking to a journo yesterday who went to the CES show and he said people was falling over themselves to get on to the Palm store, such was the buzz.

Here's Palm's round up of the coverage: http://blog.palm.com/palm/2009/01/a-brief-history-of-the-palm-pre-.html

Who'd have ever thought that Palm could have pulled this out of the bag? They're like a boxer who spent the last three rounds on the canvas narrowly avoiding being counted out and then they've suddenly comeback with a knock out punch!
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It's crazy, really crazy stuff. Palm are now the target and Apple are losing their boss just at the time they'll see a Palm coming back into the game.
 
Lazy Llama said:
Why can't WebOS evolve too?

How do you know so much about it, that you can say it can't cope with any future hardware or software changes?
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It may well cope with all those changes, but what it'll not cope with it radical paradigm changes brought about by competition and new ideas. How many of those ideas have we had in the last 10 years?

10 years in Computing is so far into the future to assume that any pillar you rely on now will still even be relevant, let alone still in use.
 
Yeah, who would have thought 10 years ago that we'd still designing apps with HTML, CSS and Javascript?
WebOS, it's like Netscape's webtop concept from, when would that be? About ten years ago.... :D

Maybe the opposite is true, and that only systems which have embraced the cloud will be relevant in 10 years.
 
Lazy Llama said:
Yeah, who would have thought 10 years ago that we'd still designing apps with HTML, CSS and Javascript?
WebOS, it's like Netscape's webtop concept from, when would that be? About ten years ago.... :D

Maybe the opposite is true, and that only systems which have embraced the cloud will be relevant in 10 years.
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Computer languages are not relevant to this discussion. People use Cobal and that's antiquated. These are just forms of mathematical expressions and are all functionally equivalent.

I'm talking about software tied to hardware and current paradigms. 10 years. I'm not saying it'll not exist, just its chances are very low.

Battery, cpu power will be massively enhanced, as will screen technology, including flexible displays. What is possible now with webOS will be irrelevant by then.
 
Pre to use Centro battery?

If true this is epic fucking fail:

Coming through Engadget with sources at Palminfocenter and TreoCentral, "the phone will use the exact same battery as the Treo 800w and the Centro -- a 1150mAh model. Apparently Palm reps were happy to snap the back off the device and show the source of its juice off. That same size battery is used in the G1 as well" Jump for more deets.
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The Centro battery is shit requiring all kinds of faffing about to get a full day, just about, out of it. And it's not even 3G; how the hell will the Pre manage with such a lame battery? :confused:
 
It sure seems a duff move, but I guess a lot depends on how power efficient the new processor is. At least you can always upgrade to a 1350mAh battery or carry around some cheapo eBay back up batteries.
 
Ah the original Engadget piece has had several updates, looks like Palm's PR department are alert!

Update 2: We've just gotten word from Palm that this actually isn't set in stone yet. In their words: "We're still doing some final development and testing various user scenarios as part of carrier certification."
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Hmmm...bit of a politicians answer...but perhaps if a bunch of people complain about using the Centro battery they may think it wise to up the spec. :D
 
1150mAh is roughly the same territory as the iPhone 3G, which has passable - if not particularly stellar - performance.

The truth will be in real use. The processor, radio and screen power draw will have an impact, as will software based techniques (or the lack of) for power reduction.

All in all, I'd say there's too many unquantifiable variables to make battery life worth speculating about at the moment.
 
Why do companies skimp on these things? It can't cost that much extra to put a bigger one in. My E61 has a 1500mAh battery, delivers the best battery life from a phone I've had and its a good few years old now.
 
Global_Stoner said:
Why do companies skimp on these things? It can't cost that much extra to put a bigger one in. My E61 has a 1500mAh battery, delivers the best battery life from a phone I've had and its a good few years old now.
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No idea. But I could see battery life being a marketable element for smartphones given the heavy use they get.
 
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