Lazy Llama
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And I didn't say you did.
Elevation were bigging up the Pre prior to them selling a load of their Palm stock so it was fairly important that Palm cleared things up before the offering.
Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion
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Elevation were bigging up the Pre prior to them selling a load of their Palm stock so it was fairly important that Palm cleared things up before the offering.
editor
hiraethified
I don't think they could have done it much quicker to be honest.
Kid_Eternity
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And me! Already on O2 via the sim only deal so either I get it unlocked or on contract but either way it'll mean no pissing about porting my number.
Kid_Eternity
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Hmmm yeah especially early adopters who'll be at the end of their contract when the Pre launches...
Sunray
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Can't see them going cheaper, so expect the 18 month 30 and 35 quid a month deals they are selling the iPhone on. Started to make a mint on those deals if the number of iPhones i've seen people using on the tube in recent months is anything to go by. Prolly why they got the deal. Saves them having to compete on the contract.
600min 500text, unlimited web plus the wifi hotspots for 35.
600min 500text, unlimited web plus the wifi hotspots for 35.
Structaural
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They should sell it cheaper than the iphone if they want to position themselves as somewhere between a smartphone and an ordinary phone. Which is what they were saying they wanted to do.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
So, someone walks into an O2 store, and sees that they can choose between the Pre, or the new (if the June rumours are true) iPhone.
Palm is fucked if that's the case, even if the Pre is technically a far superior product I reckon more people will pick the iPhone. Palm just hasn't got the "cool" factor.
Palm is fucked if that's the case, even if the Pre is technically a far superior product I reckon more people will pick the iPhone. Palm just hasn't got the "cool" factor.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I think that entirely depends on how well its sold.
The Pre looks pretty good and its merged interaction system may well appeal to the facebook , social networking crowd. While these applications are on the iPhone they are not integrated like they are on the Pre.
Lots of the o2 shops I've been in now have live working phones on open demo. Thats how I had a go at the n5800 (bad). So people can compare them all for themselves, no salesman involved.
The Pre looks pretty good and its merged interaction system may well appeal to the facebook , social networking crowd. While these applications are on the iPhone they are not integrated like they are on the Pre.
Lots of the o2 shops I've been in now have live working phones on open demo. Thats how I had a go at the n5800 (bad). So people can compare them all for themselves, no salesman involved.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I guess it'll come down to how many people want their phone as a tool, and how many want a fashion accessory...
Kid_Eternity
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Indeed. I think the social media luvvies really shouldn't be underestimated. And I also agree about the instore change too, its much better to try out the phones than have some salesperson talking shit about it...
Lazy Llama
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Well, the event went ahead and they did make one announcement.
They said what the Sprint call plans were going to be. (See the link if you care).
Still no date, no price.
Kid_Eternity
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Yeah I'm noticing a slight but growing irritation with Palm just re-showing the same information again and again on a number of blogs and twitter feeds...
Lazy Llama
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Sunray
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Crazy. Surely they can say when its going to be available.
I'm starting to Doom monger now. I've a feeling that something isn't working properly and they need to delay it, perhaps for a component change or lack of supply or something. Something is causing the fear and they daren't say because all eyes are on their every move now.
If they are to make good on the 1st half of this year, they have 14 weeks left. If they are tight lipped then its 1st July and even they aren't sure if they can make good on that. 14 weeks to go they should have the boxes stacking up in the warehouse by now. If they don't they are going to launch a vaporware product. One that is listed for sale but you can't buy one for love nor money, like the Wii at launch.
I'm starting to Doom monger now. I've a feeling that something isn't working properly and they need to delay it, perhaps for a component change or lack of supply or something. Something is causing the fear and they daren't say because all eyes are on their every move now.
If they are to make good on the 1st half of this year, they have 14 weeks left. If they are tight lipped then its 1st July and even they aren't sure if they can make good on that. 14 weeks to go they should have the boxes stacking up in the warehouse by now. If they don't they are going to launch a vaporware product. One that is listed for sale but you can't buy one for love nor money, like the Wii at launch.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I reckon if Palm can't get it in the shops before Apple launch the new iPhone, they're fucked.
That, and the issue of cash burn. I wonder at what point the revenue ramp reaches a point where they are covering their cost base again - which is what they need to stem the blood loss.
Kid_Eternity
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Totally agree.
Kid_Eternity
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If Palm don't hit their stated first half of this year they'll lose significant good will.
Sunray, it was reported a few weeks back that testing wasn't going to plan due to finding a security problem. The next round of testing is due to start beginning of April (this is the reason I don't but into the idea of it coming out early).
Sunray, it was reported a few weeks back that testing wasn't going to plan due to finding a security problem. The next round of testing is due to start beginning of April (this is the reason I don't but into the idea of it coming out early).
Sunray
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If find it hard to imagine that any single feature would cost them an entire months work to fix.
Not a security issue at least. Those can usually be plugged very quickly in my experience, even if you have to go for a crude solution.
Kid_Eternity
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I don't think it did just that Palm scheduled the next round of testing later as a result of it...
It's worth tempering the frustration with the fact that - if Palm are to make a go of this - it's not really 'us' they need to care about in the medium term. Sure we've seen the early demos and are waiting with baited breath, but for the volume of sales they need*, the majority of the required audience probably doesn't give a shit about on-time, or late or whatever, at the moment.
* I've no idea what they need actually.... maybe they'd survive for a bit just playing the N9x Gear-Head type space?
* I've no idea what they need actually.... maybe they'd survive for a bit just playing the N9x Gear-Head type space?
editor
hiraethified
Have you a source for that please?
Not sure how they can lose 'goodwill'. Most punters are blissfully unaware of the Pre and will make their mind up in the usual way when they go in the shop. The earlier the Pre is in the shops the better, but it's not going to annoy ordinary people if it's later than expected.
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