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Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion

The HTC Magic G2 phone has only just got FCC approval and Vodafone UK are already taking pre-orders.
 
I'd say that the Pre is in fact more or less finished and ready for release but they want to make sure that there's going to be enough to satisfy demand when it launches.

There is a considerable buzz about the phone now - if Engadget's user comments are anything to go by it's the most anticipated gadget of 2009 by miles.

Seeing where the company where three months ago, it's an amazing transition.
 
Seeing where the company where three months ago, it's an amazing transition.
It is very impressive.

But they do need to get this right first time. One slip could well kill the company dead.

If I were them I'd make it as late as they can afford to make sure it's absolutely right. Last Chance Saloon for Palm.
 
Yep, and the last thing they want to do is release it, and everyone find massive glitches or bugs which has people returning it like the BB Storm...
 
It is very impressive.

But they do need to get this right first time. One slip could well kill the company dead.

If I were them I'd make it as late as they can afford to make sure it's absolutely right. Last Chance Saloon for Palm.
Of course. But they have been working on this for a very long time by all accounts. I can remember the Palm rep telling me something amazing was coming ages ago.

I'm still amazed how they kept it all under wraps.
 
Of course. But they have been working on this for a very long time by all accounts. I can remember the Palm rep telling me something amazing was coming ages ago.

I'm still amazed how they kept it all under wraps.

I remember that, it was the Palm Pro launch wasn't it?

I have to agree, it's pretty remarkable they've not had one leak about this.
 
Palm have gambled *everything* on this new handset.

It's certainly brave, and the product looks good, but if it doesn't deliver, then they are sensationally fucked.

Struggling mobile manufacturer Palm laid out the full extent of its financial woes yesterday, after announcing that its third-quarter revenues fell by 73% compared to the previous year - and that it burned through around $100m of its cash reserves in those three months, leaving it with around $220m of cash.

That means that Palm will have to stake any recovery on its Pre handset, a touchscreen smartphone - like Apple's iPhone - which is due to hit the market later this year. Although the Pre has garnered positive publicity, the financial news puts even more pressure on it to dig Palm out of its financial hole.

In preliminary results for its third quarter, the California-based technology company said its income for the period would range between $85m and $90m – far below the same period in 2008, when the company brought in more than $312m in revenues. Even pessimistic Wall Street forecasts had predicted that quarterly income would be as high as $158m.

Ed Colligan, Palm's president and chief executive, warned that the slump would probably continue into the next quarter – but said he was confident that it would not affect the launch of the Pre.

"The much-anticipated launch of the Palm Pre remains on track for the first half of calendar year 2009, but as expected we've got a difficult period to transition through," Colligan said in a statement. The company is understood to be considering options to try to raise more money...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/mar/04/mobilephones-internet
 
Sure, it was what date the replacement units would be available. So get units in the warehouse on 15th March, start selling them on the 16th, so a week on Monday then?

If that were likely, why would they predict falling revenue for March, April and into May?
 
Sure, it was what date the replacement units would be available. So get units in the warehouse on 15th March, start selling them on the 16th, so a week on Monday then?

If that were likely, why would they predict falling revenue for March, April and into May?
Come on: there could be a whole host of reasons for that.
 
Come on: there could be a whole host of reasons for that.
You still think it's going to be on sale in less than two weeks, even though they haven't announced a price, released the finished SDK or got FCC approval?

I await the 15th March 2009 with bated breath, as that's now the date that the Treo Pro is being launched on Sprint. I'm sure they'll be happy to launch the Pro and the Pre on the same day ;)

(Late May would be my guess)
 
You still think it's going to be on sale in less than two weeks, even though they haven't announced a price, released the finished SDK or got FCC approval?

I await the 15th March 2009 with bated breath, as that's now the date that the Treo Pro is being launched on Sprint. I'm sure they'll be happy to launch the Pro and the Pre on the same day ;)

(Late May would be my guess)

I'm still going with what Palm said, June at the earliest. In the UK by July.
 
You still think it's going to be on sale in less than two weeks, even though they haven't announced a price, released the finished SDK or got FCC approval?
No I don't, but I was simply pointing out that there could be a host of reasons why they're predicting falling revenue for March, April and into May.
 
Interesting:
On Thursday, March 12, Sprint and Palm will co-host a Webcast centered around the Pre, complete with a demo by Fared Adib, vice president of Sprint Device Operations & Logistics, and Matt Crowley, product line manager at Palm. According to the e-mail, they will also highlight three key differentiators that make the Pre a "standout in the smartphone device category."

The Webcast starts at 11 a.m., Pacific on March 12 with 20 minutes scheduled for the presentation and 20 minutes allowed for Q&A. It's not clear whether Palm and Sprint will release any new information (ahem, availability date and pricing) or if it will be more of what's already out there. Either way, I'm registered for the event for be sure to check back on March 12th at 11 a.m. for all the details.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10188601-1.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave
 
I'm still going with what Palm said, June at the earliest. In the UK by July.

That would be a possible mad moment to launch.

There is a lot of rumour that Apple will refresh the iPhone line around that time and if they do its going to get them an enormous amount of mainstream column inches.

I think getting the launch well away from anything Apple do would be a sensible idea.
 
That would be a possible mad moment to launch.

There is a lot of rumour that Apple will refresh the iPhone line around that time and if they do its going to get them an enormous amount of mainstream column inches.

I think getting the launch well away from anything Apple do would be a sensible idea.
You don't think the Pre stands out on its own as a hugely desirable handset?

The Pre offers something quite different to the iPhone and unless Apple totally rip off their multi-tasking interface and synergy concepts, I'd say Palm have nothing to fear from another iPhone launch. If anything it'll be Apple not wanting to release their phone the same time as the long awaited Pre.
 
I think the Pre (being that its a totally new phone and os not just a revision) can hold its own against the 'new' iPhones in July...

But anyway, yeah Ed, that Sprint/Palm event certainly is tantalising!
 
You don't think the Pre stands out on its own as a hugely desirable handset?

The Pre offers something quite different to the iPhone and unless Apple totally rip off their multi-tasking interface and synergy concepts, I'd say Palm have nothing to fear from another iPhone launch. If anything it'll be Apple not wanting to release their phone the same time as the long awaited Pre.

Its not about the phone as a product.

Apple are fawned upon by the mainstream press. Palm are nobodies in comparison. The tech press will give them column inches but that's not who they need to be selling the phone to to survive.

If they step on the coat tails of Apples marketing juggernaut then it could get swamped.

Right now would be an ideal time to release it don't you think. Pretty benign moment, nothing really big on the Mobile phone front for a while. If and when Apple did refresh the iPhone line or other players came into the game, it'd get included into all the comparison reviews in the main stream press.
 
Even if Apple did nothing more than make the handset a different colour they'd still get more publicity than Palm, and would still sell more.

Sunray is right, Palm would be insane to go head to head with Apple on lauch dates, they need to get in first by a significant amount, or wait till any new iphone fuss has died down.
 
Even if Apple did nothing more than make the handset a different colour they'd still get more publicity than Palm, and would still sell more.

Sunray is right, Palm would be insane to go head to head with Apple on lauch dates, they need to get in first by a significant amount, or wait till any new iphone fuss has died down.
Normally I'd agree with, but this is different. The iPhone is on diminishing publicity returns now whereas an exciting new product *and* a new OS from one of the most famous smartphone makers on the planet is sure to generate more publicity than a third product refresh, even if it's for the mighty iPhone.

The buzz about the Palm Pre is huge. And if you don't believe me, check out the leading gadget site Engadget's poll on 'most anticipated gadget of 2009'.

That site is famed for its Apple fanboydon, but check out the user comments - the Pre is leading by miles.
 
I hope it does really well. My iPhone is pissing me off now. Crashing browser, no C&P, no backgrounding, sluggish, locked to one computer syncing. Apple need a kick.

The problem with the Pre is that it is popular with people like us - gadget freaks, but the most people are still well enamoured with the iPhone, so they'd better do some really good marketing.
 
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