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Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion

I have to agree with Sunray, it's pointless comparing a phone nobody can buy with one that's been out for two years. It's just lazy journalism for fanbois in my opinion.
Come on: people are always comparing and discussing the feature sets of unreleased products here.
 
I'm not sure we will ever see MMS on an iphone, its old tech, its all about email. Not saying that I agree, but Apple are very good at telling their users when tech is dead by not supporting it.
It may be old tech to you, but 553 million picture messages were sent last year in the UK - up 23 per cent on 2007.

That's more than 1.5 million per day in the UK alone. Nearly 5 million were sent on Xmas day.

Video and Picture messages (MMS)
Total number of picture messages (MMS) sent in:
2008 total 553 million
2007 total 449 million
2006 total 336 million

http://www.themda.org/mda-press-releases/the-q4-2008-uk-mobile-trends-report.php
 
Come on: people are always comparing and discussing the feature sets of unreleased products here.

There's a difference between us shooting the breeze on here about it and some proper article with comparison charts! It's a nonsense, the comparison chart compares a real phone with one that that could and probably will change when it's actually made available.

Hasn't quite gone to plan with the one button mouse though, has it?

I didn't say Apple are perfect.
 
It may be old tech to you, but 553 million picture messages were sent last year in the UK - up 23 per cent on 2007.

That's more than 1.5 million per day in the UK alone. Nearly 5 million were sent on Xmas day.


I've never really use it, but I think you missed my point. Millions of people were using floppy discs when apple phased them out no doubt it caused lots of frustration for people who used them. Not saying its right, just the way apple does stuff, I'd be very surprised if you ever saw MMS on an iphone. Copy and paste maybe.
 
It may be old tech to you, but 553 million picture messages were sent last year in the UK - up 23 per cent on 2007.

That's more than 1.5 million per day in the UK alone. Nearly 5 million were sent on Xmas day.

How do reckon that compares with email? ;)
 
Interesting piece on Wired. It looks like develoeprs are taking an interest n the Pre:
Here's a copy of the developer presentation -

It's almost an hour long and shows actual Javascript code and a very simple app being developed. It looks pretty simple to get started with.

In the skim viewing I gave it, it didn't really seem to do anything much that a plain web app couldn't, but I didn't have an hour to sit and listen to it all. There's some talk of the HTML5 local database use, and the internal db storage called Depots, the Mojo framework etc.

The development and demos are all run on a Mac using an emulator and TextMate. The emulator looks nothing like the Pre screens that were demoed at the launch, but I'm presuming that's because the demoed app was so simple.
 
Given that we are talking about smart phones here, yes it would.

How does your personal ratio compare?

I send about three or four MMS a year at best (less now I can upload straight to Facebook), and can send double or more than that in emails each day.
 
The numbers I've found, quite old admittedly, showed a year-on-year halving of MMS use per user. Maybe it's picking up again. Anyone here using it more and more?
 
OK, recent UK numbers. Volumes are increasing, but MMS share of messaging is declining, slightly.

Total messages (SMS/MMS), followed by %ge that were MMS

2008: 79.453bn - MMS 0.7%
2007: 57.349bn - MMS 0.8%
 
The numbers I've found, quite old admittedly, showed a year-on-year halving of MMS use per user. Maybe it's picking up again. Anyone here using it more and more?
You're welcome to keep on trying and spin that anyway you like, but the fact remains that with 1.5m MMS messages sent every day in the UK, it's a very popular messaging service that is growing in use (up 23 per cent from last year).

The lack of MMS on a modern smartphone is a serious omission, regardless of what Apple aficionados insist.
 
interesting...I never got into MMS..maybe 3 in total.. have always had a smartphone though so I guess that's why (emails)
 
Yeah I don't bother with MMS at all...text to luddite mates, emails to those in the 21st Century ;)
 
interesting...I never got into MMS..maybe 3 in total.. have always had a smartphone though so I guess that's why (emails)

I've only ever received 1. Ever. :( I think I tried to send one once but it involved lots of faffing around on the Nokia I had. So I gave up...
 
I rarely use MMS, although it's come in handy occasionally. Go to a big footie game or concert though and you'll see them being fired off all over the place.
 
The vast majority of mobile phone users have never sent an email from their phones.

yeah I can believe that..am trying to migrate my girlf away from hotmail to her grown-up email address ;) so she can use the Centro properly and we can stop spending all our money on intercontinental sms
 
Do you think that's true for smart phones?
There's ample evidence that people don't use all the features on their smartphones (see below for example) and I certainly know people with smartphones who have never sent an email, although there's no question that millions of MMS messages are sent from smartphones.
"Hardware on mobile phones has been outpacing the software capabilities," Miner declared, noting that 80% of mobile phones being sold today have cameras on them, yet the number of people who actually know how to use them or get the images off the phones is between 10 and 50%, depending on the model.
http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/09/24/big-challenge-android-getting-people-use-hardware
 
"Hardware on mobile phones has been outpacing the software capabilities"

Certainly agree. It's only now, bump started by apple, that the phone manufacturers are coming to understand that sotware is important. More important than hardware in many ways.
 
There's ample evidence that people don't use all the features on their smartphones (see below for example) and I certainly know people with smartphones who have never sent an email, although there's no question that millions of MMS messages are sent from smartphones.

Do you believe the vast majority of smart phone users have never sent an email from their phone?
 
Many people never used memory sticks whilst there machines had floppy drives, despite them being superior. It was only when computers stoped shipping with them that they made the change.

Stop supporting MMS and people will switch to email. This will cause problems for all the people who haven't got email or haven't got their phone setup to accept it, but we got over this with floppy, I'm sure we will get over it again.
 
Do you believe the vast majority of smart phone users have never sent an email from their phone?
Eh? I certainly haven't said anything like that, but there is ample evidence that a sizeable percentage of people who buy smartphones don't use all the features. I've no doubt that email would be one of those unused features for some.

It seems to me that you're on some weird stat-twisting mission to 'prove' that MMS isn't important just because the iPhone hasn't got that capability.

Here's the facts: MMS is used by millions of smartphone users. It is growing in use and with 1.5m MMS messages sent every day in the UK, it is patently obvious that it is a hugely popular service. For a smartphone not to have this useful feature is a serious omission right now (that may change in a few years of course).

And here's the facts to back that up:
MMS still with a future
Since MMS hit the mainstream in 2004 the press and analysts have been critical about its level of success. Back then, they wanted to MMS reach the same value as SMS, USD $30bn, for it be considered a success; finally in 2009 this will be a reality. MMS is growing fast and certain countries, such as China and the United States, are becoming very big markets. Worldwide MMS traffic of 75 billion messages in 2008 is impressive, and the future growth looks very good in Asia, as affordable camera-equipped handsets flood the market with China leading the way.

A recent Airwide survey of 140 mobile operators worldwide on the use of mobile messaging across the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spa agrees with the general thrust of Portio's - that the growth in mobile messaging shows no signs of slowing. The study shows that the number of people sending text messages (SMS) across the EU is growing 3.3% year on year, a figure only beaten by MMS which is growing by 9.2%.

The UK is faring particularly well with over 25 million text messages sent each day. Growth is driven in particular by people who earn over £30,000 with the number of these people sending SMS messages every day increasing 16.9% year on year. However, the growth in mobile messaging by those earning less than £30,000 is also doing well with almost 4% annual growth of those sending SMS everyday.
http://www.mobileeurope.co.uk/features/114494/Mobile_messaging_in_2009_-_SMS_still_the_driver.html
 
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