LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I see barely any extreme anxiety outside what I read on here tbh, most people seem to now be completely blase tbh!
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I see barely any extreme anxiety outside what I read on here tbh, most people seem to now be completely blase tbh!
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
The high anxiety response of many in the UK may perhaps be revealing a higher pre-existing level of anxiety and poor MH in the UK, in much the same way that the high UK death rate revealed poor levels of pre-existing physical health.
Re the Urban covid response, yes I feel the same way too, anything except a very strict "anti-covid/aspirational zero covid" discussion marks you out as a right wing anti-vaxxer etc. I think this may be another US cultural-political import, a legacy of Trump's creation of a right vs left narrative on covid which makes being strict on covid a badge of left identity for many. IME a lot of people on the UK liberal/left are unaware of the extent to which they recycle second hand US political ideas with little meaning here outside of their own echo chambers.
Reno
The In Kraut
I can only go by what I read on here as I don't live in the UK anymore. I'm not blasé, I'm exhausted and I'm tired of having the mental health problems I suffered due to this crises interpreted as not taking this pandemic seriously enough.
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I don’t mix with people in crowded spaces or visit anyone particularly vulnerable, hence I’ve never done a LFT, ever, is this A Bad Thing? Should I be doing them regardless? Have to be honest, some of the threads here bear no resemblance to how I feel about all this. 
Reno
The In Kraut
It means that enough people have developed a degree of immunity that we can live with the virus without disastrous levels of serious illness and death. However it seems like the omicron variant is more infectious but less severe.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I've had to step away from covid discussions on here for periods - providing certain views can get you pretty nasty abuse, even when you back those views up. I agree with Coop that many of these issues have become infected by the nonsense from the US, which makes discussion difficult. But I don't think urban is at all representative of the UK on this issue.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Delusional. I wont go through all this again but peoples track records can be examined, and yours was truly terrible.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And there you go.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
I haven't looked for some time so these figures may not be true still, but after the first two waves (ie Spring 2020 and Autumn/Winter 2020-21) the median age for people dying with covid in the UK (ie not necessarily of covid) was 83, the average age of all deaths was 81. It's obviously a capricious and unpredictable disease but for the vast majority of the population it's not a high risk and personally I don't think it's remotely worth the levels of interference in our lives that we have suffered, let alone the huge attacks on our basic civil liberties. I get that not everyone will agree with that but the inability to even tolerate the argument seems to me like another a symptom of the anxiety you mentioned.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ah I see you've edited.
Your track record includes giving far too much time to the most pessimistic of modelling that later proved to be very badly wrong. Most recently you have been doing this for omicron.
And I'll leave that there. It's exactly the kind of thing that's pissed me off over this issue, particularly from you, who has misrepresented me very badly over the course of this.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Why dont you own your own claims from the past? Why not admit you got some stuff wrong, learn from those errors, and move forwards? Its a disgrace that you attempt to pull this bullshit now given your clear history of getting it all totally wrong.
I'm not going to sit here quielty while the shitheads who got it all wrong in the first few waves try to rewrite history.
I'm not going to sit here quielty while the shitheads who got it all wrong in the first few waves try to rewrite history.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Thing is the “it’s only fatal for a select group of people”* argument never accounted for how that still takes up huge NHS resources, and that does put the whole population at risk, both physically and mentally. An overstretched health service with exhausted staff and a high rate of redeployment and sickness will drastically impact other areas of the health sector, including some areas where a rapid response is needed.
As an aside, I’ve seen some anti lockdown proponents arguing that the reduced focus on these other services (cancer, cardiac and mental health being frequently raised) were somehow linked to COVID restrictions, whereas if there hadn’t been restrictions the situation would have been far worse.
*other than the fact that that it’s always problematic putting aside a chunk of the population as collateral damage
As an aside, I’ve seen some anti lockdown proponents arguing that the reduced focus on these other services (cancer, cardiac and mental health being frequently raised) were somehow linked to COVID restrictions, whereas if there hadn’t been restrictions the situation would have been far worse.
*other than the fact that that it’s always problematic putting aside a chunk of the population as collateral damage
elbows
Well-Known Member
I mean have no doubt, this is a simple continuation of an ongoing argument between those who have never believed that lockdowns and some other stuff were necessary, versus those who believed such measures were sadly essential during nasty waves.
Those who downplayed the risks of the wave a year+ ago had the luxury of falling silent when that approach blew up in everyones face. Only to return later when they think things have moved forwards and there is a chance their stance might actually end up compatible with basic reality this time around.
If you stick to the same stance then eventually, after numerous waves, you'll stand a chance of being right. But dont ask me to overlook all the times you were wrong before reaching that point. Dont ask me to forget the pathetic bullshit claims that masks dont do much, that lockdowns dont do much. All you really mean is that you didnt like those measures, and that you intend to rewrite history to claim that you were right all along, instead of facing the unpalatable truths about the consequences of your stances in previous waves. Horrific shit, fuck off with that.
Those who downplayed the risks of the wave a year+ ago had the luxury of falling silent when that approach blew up in everyones face. Only to return later when they think things have moved forwards and there is a chance their stance might actually end up compatible with basic reality this time around.
If you stick to the same stance then eventually, after numerous waves, you'll stand a chance of being right. But dont ask me to overlook all the times you were wrong before reaching that point. Dont ask me to forget the pathetic bullshit claims that masks dont do much, that lockdowns dont do much. All you really mean is that you didnt like those measures, and that you intend to rewrite history to claim that you were right all along, instead of facing the unpalatable truths about the consequences of your stances in previous waves. Horrific shit, fuck off with that.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
I think this is a huge aspect tbh. The UK has been a pretty good example of how not to manage a pandemic, and it’s hardly been emotionally containing for the general population. No wonder there are such divisions now.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Divisions exacerbated all the way through by the right wing and idiot fellow travelers by making some political virtue of being against public health measures.
But fwiw I do think things are different now (or will be once this wave has passed) but it will be very galling to see the mentioned groups crowing about it as some kind of final victory for liberty and common sense.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I dont see why I shouldnt get very angry about this either.
Anxieties that linger longer than they need to in this pandemic will need to be addressed. But to hear the bullshit some come out with, a new arrival on earth would be forgiven for not being able to guess at the number of hospitalisations that have resulted from this virus in England alone:
Has my maths gone dodgy or is that over 7% of 85+ year olds and over 2% of 65-84 year olds?
Anxieties that linger longer than they need to in this pandemic will need to be addressed. But to hear the bullshit some come out with, a new arrival on earth would be forgiven for not being able to guess at the number of hospitalisations that have resulted from this virus in England alone:
Has my maths gone dodgy or is that over 7% of 85+ year olds and over 2% of 65-84 year olds?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes in terms of what comes next, I'll be waiting to see how the 'patients in mechanical ventilation beds' figures pan out during the Omicron wave, and will then calibrate my sense of what happens next based on that and some other NHS etc pressures in this wave.
How does that compare to pre-pandemic? 7% of over 85 yr olds having to be admitted to hospital at some point in over 2 years doesn't sound super high tbh, if that is what it means? Or have I misunderstood
It’s been nuts on here, and you’ve been one of the worst instigators of this extreme obsessive anxiety.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Well, your opinion is entirely up to you, but my experience of elbows' postings has been diametrically opposite
. And I'm not saying this because I want to start some kind of argument with you (I don't, and I shan't), but because in the face of that kind of comment, I think it's necessary not to stay silent.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
there's too many covid threads, so am plonking this here:
www.theguardian.com
what do people make of it?
Britain got it wrong on Covid: long lockdown did more harm than good, says scientist
A new book outlines the mistakes and missteps that made UK pandemic worse
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
How does that extreme obsessive anxiety pan out with people like myself who I'm pretty sure would not have survived the virus without vaccination and booster? And in Cornwall I'm assuming the main variant is still Delta which isn't the mild one and does go for the lungs.
I'm finding this language strange tbh. I've avoided people and I keep 2m away from people wherever I can and wear a mask when I meet people inside. Describing this motivated by fear is pretty fucking insulting - do you stick your hand on a cooker hotplate when the cooker's on? No. Are you permanently afraid of sticking your hand on a cooker hotplate when the cooker's on? No. You know what will likely happen if you do, so you just don't do it.
Where's the fear involved in that?
I'm finding this language strange tbh. I've avoided people and I keep 2m away from people wherever I can and wear a mask when I meet people inside. Describing this motivated by fear is pretty fucking insulting - do you stick your hand on a cooker hotplate when the cooker's on? No. Are you permanently afraid of sticking your hand on a cooker hotplate when the cooker's on? No. You know what will likely happen if you do, so you just don't do it.
Where's the fear involved in that?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
aye, it's not fear for many of us, it's caution and concern for others
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
A lot of people have been extremely anxious about something which represents a genuine existential threat. That's because of the threat itself, not any particular person's take on it. It's also because of their personal experiences; whether of being sick themselves, losing loved ones, struggling due to lockdowns or whatever else. Calling that response 'extreme' doesn't seem very helpful, and its certainly not a position rooted in any coherent notion of what a reasonable or moderate response would look like in contrast.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
there's too many covid threads, so am plonking this here:
what do people make of it?Britain got it wrong on Covid: long lockdown did more harm than good, says scientist
A new book outlines the mistakes and missteps that made UK pandemic worse
On a thread designed to discuss things going forward, dumping a link covering the past, is such a brilliant idea.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
as i said, there's too many threads all talking about the same thing. this one is moving, so I posted it here.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
i do find the armchair sciencing hard to read/trust, so I just skip those posts
I don't think that's fair. Everyone has dealt with this differently. You don't have to read elbow's posts. I didn't, they're too long and technical for my ADHD brain.
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