Night & Day: Manchester music venue sweating on noise court hearing outcome because of one posh resident
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bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
When I bought my flat in the vicinity of a night club I couldn’t even get a mortgage due to its proximity to said club (night time economy)
But I bought it anyways. 0400 kick outs are noisy and chaotic I bought a big bag of ear plugs for the summer craziness.
The reporting is painting a picture of
A single complainant. Which is a bit sus. On the news up here they are reporting that the bloke has really really made a meal of his “health” being effected
But I bought it anyways. 0400 kick outs are noisy and chaotic I bought a big bag of ear plugs for the summer craziness.
The reporting is painting a picture of
A single complainant. Which is a bit sus. On the news up here they are reporting that the bloke has really really made a meal of his “health” being effected
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
The other MEN article said at least 17k. Maybe they spent more since? A lot of Money either way.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Take this to the mods forum?
Yeh give me access and we'll chat there. You haven't had me on ignore for more than a year, as your replies to my posts over that period show. Eg this from 3 Sept Opinion: "The End of Meat Is Here" - NY Times you said you were going to ignore me for a couple of days in April this year, search your posts if you don't believe me. More than a year? Tosh. You've replied to me 30+ times in the period you claim you've had me on ignore and "not been responding to me". Don't see how you can ask for mi in good conscience given the divergence between what you say and the facts
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twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
I don't envy the booker as band agents will be wary about the viability of the business. Lots of tours being booked for May at the moment.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't interpret it that way. It seems like the council workers have been out to the flat various times with mixed findings. It might be that they're prone to confusion, but I think it's more likely that the level of noise coming through the wall is just not constant, consistent or predictable. If so, that means two things:
1) The idea that the resident complaining is living through an unending hell of thud thud thud throughout the night might be overstating it.
2) If N&D can be a viable business without being a noise nuisance some of the time, there's probably no good reason why it needs to be a noise nuisance at all. Ergo, the issue might just be that N&D has to accept it has a responsibility to control the level of noise it emits.
The thing that bugs me, to be honest, it the idea of a wealthy business women launching a social media campaign to demonise a random joe, in an attempt to steamroller the council.
The complainant has a right to complain, and they might even have a point. If they don't, there's a process to decide. But they're within their rights either way. And what they get is half of Manchester, plus plenty of people who've never been to Manchester, calling them a cunt on social media, whipped up by a bullying campaign unleashed by someone who is guilty of a much greater degree of poshness than they probably are.
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the only reason anyone would be wary of the viability of the night and day's business is because the business themselves made this dubious claim a key plank of their current media campaign
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
You obviously don't like the place but dubious is a bit harsh given the current economic climate especially the energy prices and increased staffing and talent costs post-Covid.
I think why this gets emotional is people are seeing it as an issue of having city centre nightlife versus city centre property developers always getting their way and the latter are always going to have deeper pockets. Raheem's comments on poshness are very interesting in this respect though.
The developing in this case was done almost a quarter of a century ago, I don't think they're involved at all. It's city centre residents interests vs city centre business interests - there's always going to be occasional tensions between these two groups in a mixed area like the northern quarter (although tbf I'm only aware of the Night and Day having issues - but I guess they might just have the most effective media campaigns). I don't think automatically supporting the businesses in these cases without carefully looking at what else is going on is very fair is all.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Right so on 2 visits by the council they felt the noise wasn't a nuisance but on the third visit they 'felt' it was a nuisance even though they didn't bother to measure the sound levels.
Also planning permission stated that the sound level in the bedroom should be no higher than 35dB which is just over a whisper so clearly the developer didn't comply with the planning permission.
editor
hiraethified
How wealthy is she, exactly? There aren't many independent venues raking it in these days.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
There's a thread on here about buying a house asking what the process is and for advice. Some of the advice given is to visit the area at different times of day and night to see what it's like and to talk to neighbours (may be difficult with it being flats). Muppet clearly hasn't done his research and now wants to complain about the noise.
There is a pub that has loud music several times a week that's no more than 200m from my house and you can sometimes hear it through closed double glazed windows albeit quiet. Have I complained in the 26 years I've lived here? Am I likely to complain in my remaining time here, however long that may be? No. Because I knew there was a fucking pub just down the road.
Wouldn't have thought there would be so many nimbys on these boards.
There is a pub that has loud music several times a week that's no more than 200m from my house and you can sometimes hear it through closed double glazed windows albeit quiet. Have I complained in the 26 years I've lived here? Am I likely to complain in my remaining time here, however long that may be? No. Because I knew there was a fucking pub just down the road.
Wouldn't have thought there would be so many nimbys on these boards.
I'm interested to know what conversations you're having elsewhere that's resulted in this document ending up in your hands tbh.
I'm just nosey and it's all on companies house. I'm no financial expert either but they look to be quite healthy accounts. She should probably buy the flat.
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hiraethified
When I moved into in Brixton, I knew there'd be all night parties and noise. And there's been lots of those and while I may have moaned about some people really taking fucking liberties, I have never, ever lodged a noise complaint and never will.There's a thread on here about buying a house asking what the process is and for advice. Some of the advice given is to visit the area at different times of day and night to see what it's like and to talk to neighbours (may be difficult with it being flats). Muppet clearly hasn't done his research and now wants to complain about the noise.
There is a pub that has loud music several times a week that's no more than 200m from my house and you can sometimes hear it through closed double glazed windows albeit quiet. Have I complained in the 26 years I've lived here? Am I likely to complain in my remaining time here, however long that may be? No. Because I knew there was a fucking pub just down the road.
Wouldn't have thought there would be so many nimbys on these boards.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
One of my favourite early hours activities is hanging out my window breaking up street beatings with my insanely powerful sexy strobe torch
klarus XT21X 4000 Lumen Rechargeable Torch, 316Metres Beam Distance Powerful Tactical Torch, IPX8 Waterproof Flashlight
I can see the bouncers laughing as drunk as fuck punchy punters try and work out where the police helicopter isIf I complained about the noise my neighbour pub/club manager) would revoke my boozer dog walking privileges
Sometimes I just shout “Jesus is watching you!”
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Except if the current owner puts it on the market they are now legally obliged to declare any neighbour disputes, which might make it undesirable to prospective purchasers.He probably could sell it. After all some Muppet bought it in the first place.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I think you've walked past me in the street
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
That article mentioned a 35db limit.
I've read another article (sorry, don't have a link) that mentioned that limit but also that measuring noise by the DJ desk resulted in a max of 34db being recorded. Although I've also read in other articles too that the council lost/failed to keep notes/records. (Shambolic, but that's the council for you.)
If that's the case, it would seem that the venue was arguably keeping within the limit, but I guess the human brain doesn't make that distinction, doesn't have a neat cut-off point whereby 34db doesn't cause a disturbance, doesn't interfere with sleep, but do so as soon as it hits 35db.
Also, maybe 34db would be all right, if the developers hadn't cheapskated and fucked up the sound insulation? They should be held responsible for that and made to fund remedial works.
(Although the music venue trust has called for the council to buy the flat.)
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I read an article that mentioned a limit of 35db being in place. But council officers had measured noise of 34db. So it probably won't matter if they stick to the letter of the law, if the noise is approaching the limit, they're going to get complained about. Because the residents were finding it unbearable even when not in breach. And the article shared above in this thread mentions two visits when the noise didn't breach limits. So the residents are clearly of the attitude/belief that the noise is interfering with their sleep/'quiet' enjoyment of their flat, even when the venue hasn't breached the noise limit. And that's due to the developer's failures. And the council's failures to enforce the planning consent stipulations.
Fuzzy
Hearts Cov
hilarious. does it work?
Fuzzy
Hearts Cov
in realith there isn't a noticeable difference between 34db and 35 dB.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
That was my point. That having an arbitrary cut-off point is always going to be problematic because of that. Because if the noise is 34 or 35 decibels, the impact is likely to be the same/very similar. (Although isn't the dB scale logarithmic?)
And it also depends on individual people's hearing. A level of 34db might be annoying to some and disrupt their sleep, but another resident who has some level of hearing impairment or hearing loss - which might've been something they were born with or acquired at some point in their life or just happened naturally as their hearing degenerated with age - might not suffer sleep disturbance because of it?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
34dB is incredibly quiet, and an utterly ridiculous target for any sort of city centre location. The usual background level in most suburban homes will be significantly higher than that. For context, a beautifully quiet library would be around 40dB or more.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Exactly. That would be impossible to achieve. Is that what it says in their licence?
I’m lying in bed, in a basement at the back of a house with no traffic outside. Just a helicopter in the far distance and this is what my (admittedly not calibrated and free) app reads.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
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hiraethified
I can't believe any one would set such a ridiculously low limit for a city centre
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