Nick Griffin Agrees to Ask BNP to Allow Non White People to Join

[LLETSA]

I think its hilarious that the BNP should be made to accept non-whites membes since some of their members and supporters arent even British but just white. The BNP say that they are not racist and some people who voted for them say that they arent racist, let them put their money where mouth is. I doubt whether they will be getting non white members but the fact that they may have to allow them will hopefully see them disband.

On the other hand they could use all this to their own advantage, in many ways.

 

[Fedayn]

On the other hand they could use all this to their own advantage, in many ways.

The grumpy one is imho very much on the money here^^

 

[LLETSA]

The grumpy one is imho very much on the money here^^

It's hardly rocket science after all.

 

[Fedayn]

It's hardly rocket science after all.

Absolutely.... After all how can they be 'naaaartzis, racists etc' when they're adhering to EHRC requests?!

 

[LLETSA]

Absolutely.... After all how can they be 'naaaartzis, racists etc' when they're adhering to EHRC requests?!

And we've already seen that having a handful of not 'purely' white members of the BNP does nothing to alter the ongoing racialisation of politics and society on which they feed.

 

[Fedayn]

And we've already seen that having a handful of not 'purely' white members of the BNP does nothing to alter the ongoing racialisation of politics and society on which they feed.

Yup, and as i'm sure you're aware only this week the govt announced more funding for 'white working-class' communities in 'response' to the BNP's increase in votes. The utterly fucking bizarre scenario of even more racialising of resources to allegedly try and combat increased racialisation of politcs and society. Somehow the 'facepalm' gif just ain't enough.......

 

[audiotech]

Of course there is.

Look at the number of support networks, housing associations etc specifically targetting minorities.

Then count how many are "white only".

A lot of "ordinary" housing associations etc are open to all and everyone regardless of their heritage.

There are no black only Housing Associations if that's what you're saying? That would be illegal under law.

Housing Associations do not "specifically target minorities. They are expected to make their allocation policies as wide as is reasonably possible, to the community has a whole.

Some maybe unrepresentative of the community they serve and are then expected to rectify this with procedures to publish material and advertise more widely.

There are some Housing Associations with a historical religious connection, Jewish, Methodist, alms houses, charities etc, but religion doesn't determine policy Housing Law does and we're all equal under it apparently.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I think it's too simplistic to say that this turn of events is just damaging to the BNP or just helpful to them.

On the damaging side, they admit that this process has already cost them a great deal of money. They seem to be suffering from reasonably serious financial difficulties already, at least judging by the hysterical tone of their appeals for cash. They have had to agree to stop taking new members for a month, which will set them back a small amount. And of course, while there won't be some epic split over this they will lose a reasonably number of organisers and activists. Those people may in part be people they welcome losing, but they will be concentrated in their hardened activist layer which will knock their ability to do the groundwork.

On the other hand it allows them to portray themselves as victims of the authorities. Further down the line it helps them to claim that they are "non-racist" and that they are a legitimate political party.

In the short term, the damaging effects will be stronger. The question is if in the longer term the advantages outweigh that damage.

 

[Pickman's model]

Alright, let me amend that. I have seen and heard little anti-white racism - I'm not saying it doesn't happen. But I'm not aware of a long and unpleasant history of it, over the decades. Compared to the scale against non-whites, ok?

so you're unaware of the unfortunate depiction, since at least the mid-nineteenth century, of the irish as simian in popular prints?

in any event, you've moved significantly from the "it has no history" to "it has a history", which is sufficient for me.

 

[Azrael]

On the other hand it allows them to portray themselves as victims of the authorities. Further down the line it helps them to claim that they are "non-racist" and that they are a legitimate political party.

Exactly. What on earth are the equalities watchdog thinking? They've just destroyed tangible proof that the BNP are racialists, and helped Mr Griffin win a battle he'd have a hard time winning on his own. It's counter-productive in the extreme.

It's comes to something when anti-racist watchdogs are so ideologically pure they launch an action that helps racists!

 

[tbaldwin]

Why would a non white want to join the BNP :confused:[/QUOTE]

Very few would. But the majority of non whites are against more immigration and some might be tempted because the BNPs policy seems a lot less silly than the 3 main parties.

 

[Pickman's model]

Very few would. But the majority of non whites are against more immigration and some might be tempted because the BNPs policy seems a lot less silly than the 3 main parties.

which policy would that be?

 

[where to]

On the damaging side, they admit that this process has already cost them a great deal of money. They seem to be suffering from reasonably serious financial difficulties already, at least judging by the hysterical tone of their appeals for cash.

part of me thinks thats just Griffin making sure the party go with him on his decision not to contest this non-white party membership issue.

 

[tbaldwin]

which policy would that be?

Controlling immigration....Clouseau.......

 

[FreddyB]

I think it's too simplistic to say that this turn of events is just damaging to the BNP or just helpful to them.

On the damaging side, they admit that this process has already cost them a great deal of money.They seem to be suffering from reasonably serious financial difficulties already, at least judging by the hysterical tone of their appeals for cash.

Considering the amount of cash getting two MEP's has secured them I doubt it will be too hard for them, unless they've already spent it. We'll see but I do hope you're right.

They have had to agree to stop taking new members for a month, which will set them back a small amount.

In reality they won't. New members will still be contacted by local branches, only their membership number will be delayed. It means nothing.

And of course, while there won't be some epic split over this they will lose a reasonably number of organisers and activists. Those people may in part be people they welcome losing, but they will be concentrated in their hardened activist layer which will knock their ability to do the groundwork.

I think they'll be well shot of them and it's possible that this will save them the pain of clearing out these people themselves. Whether it causes other organisations to spring up from those that leave will be interesting to watch.

On the other hand it allows them to portray themselves as victims of the authorities. Further down the line it helps them to claim that they are "non-racist" and that they are a legitimate political party.

This is the worst and funniest thing about this.

In the short term, the damaging effects will be stronger. The question is if in the longer term the advantages outweigh that damage.

It looks set to put them on a good footing to go forward appealing to 'ordinary' people. Hopefully the financial implications screw this for them.

 

[nightowl]

it gives the bnp the veneer of legitimacy while it's leaders know that in reality no non-white person would consider joining it

 

[Pickman's model]

it gives the bnp the veneer of legitimacy while it's leaders know that in reality no non-white person would consider joining it

some already have

 

[nightowl]

some already have

must be mad

 

[Balbi]

it gives the bnp the veneer of legitimacy while it's leaders know that in reality no non-white person would consider joining it

UAF, MAB and CRE members all join, at a general meeting they could fucking destroy the BNP

All those in favour of deselecting all currently elected and planned candidates? AYE.

All those in favour of replacing Nick Griffin with Trevor Phillips? AYE!

lol pwnt

 

[LLETSA]

UAF, MAB and CRE members all join, at a general meeting they could fucking destroy the BNP

All those in favour of deselecting all currently elected and planned candidates? AYE.

All those in favour of replacing Nick Griffin with Trevor Phillips? AYE!

lol pwnt

It must have been brain taxing in the extreme to come up with this sophisticated and unbeatable strategy.

 

[Balbi]

It must have been brain taxing in the extreme to come up with this sophisticated and unbeatable strategy.

I nearly popped an eyeball <----

 

[Grandma Death]

I notice on their site they are begging for donations because this case has put a massive strain on their financial resources. Lets hope it bankrupts the cunts.

 

[Zabo]

I am utterly astounded at the gross stupidity of the BNP. Are they so ignorant and so blinded by their own racism that they don't have a solictor to tell them what is and what isn't legal? Shit...it ain't rocket science to be au fait with the Race Relations Act regardless of politics.

Or was it another act of stupidity on their part to weigh off the legal consequences against the publicity they would achieve?

How very ignorant and stupid. But then that is an essential criteria to be a member.

 

[Cheesypoof]

question is: what non-white person would want to join the BNP???

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Quick general note on BNP regarding bye-election results from last night.

"BNP watch: smashed out of sight by Labour in a by-election in Barnsley they were hoping to win, but meanwhile they were only 16 votes short of getting a seat from the Tories on Lincolnshire County Council in Boston. In other news, Tories hold on to The Runtons in North Norfolk."

 

[Rod Sleeves]

Hold on to your runtons!

 

[glenquagmire]

Quick general note on BNP regarding bye-election results from last night.

"BNP watch: smashed out of sight by Labour in a by-election in Barnsley they were hoping to win, but meanwhile they were only 16 votes short of getting a seat from the Tories on Lincolnshire County Council in Boston. In other news, Tories hold on to The Runtons in North Norfolk."

I wonder from watching the by-election results over the past year or so whether their support has topped out in the areas where they made initial headway a few years ago. In areas like south Yorkshire and Lancashire they seem to be more or less stationary or even dropping a few %. Without wanting to tempt fate, I think this might be the case in Barking & Dagenham in the locals next spring.

But in 'new' areas such as Boston they have not reached their full potential yet and there could be much more to come. Boston has quite an unusual set of problems. An odd place.

Could be well wrong here though.

 

[butchersapron]

I notice on their site they are begging for donations because this case has put a massive strain on their financial resources. Lets hope it bankrupts the cunts.

Every party outside the big three are constantly on the beg, and they all use opps like this to try and squeeze more cash out of members and sympathisers. We've been hearing they've been on the verge of bankruptcy for a decade now. Don't believe the hype.

 

[butchersapron]

Quick general note on BNP regarding bye-election results from last night.

"BNP watch: smashed out of sight by Labour in a by-election in Barnsley they were hoping to win, but meanwhile they were only 16 votes short of getting a seat from the Tories on Lincolnshire County Council in Boston. In other news, Tories hold on to The Runtons in North Norfolk."

23% is not 'smashed out of sight' - it's a drop of 7% (45 votes), and labour victories are not the way to beat the BNP. It's clear in that ward that the BNP are now the official opposition to labour, they outpolled the total of all the other candiates added together (yes, including lib dems, tories and UKIP). 37% in Boston speaks for itself.

I don't think the recent relatively poor results are anything to crow about, i put them more down to there being a run of elections in the wrong sort of areas with little local support networks - as soon as the sort of seat they do well in has a vacancy they are still doing well. Ont op of that, since the June elections they've very definetly took their place on the national stage. They are now part of national politics.

 

[Nigel]

I think it's too simplistic to say that this turn of events is just damaging to the BNP or just helpful to them.

On the damaging side, they admit that this process has already cost them a great deal of money. They seem to be suffering from reasonably serious financial difficulties already, at least judging by the hysterical tone of their appeals for cash. They have had to agree to stop taking new members for a month, which will set them back a small amount. And of course, while there won't be some epic split over this they will lose a reasonably number of organisers and activists. Those people may in part be people they welcome losing, but they will be concentrated in their hardened activist layer which will knock their ability to do the groundwork.

On the other hand it allows them to portray themselves as victims of the authorities. Further down the line it helps them to claim that they are "non-racist" and that they are a legitimate political party.

In the short term, the damaging effects will be stronger. The question is if in the longer term the advantages outweigh that damage.

After their relative success in the European Elections I would have thought the the BNP in real terms has never been better off.
Their main concern would seeing finances trickle away through legal costs, campaigns surrounding court battles and so on.

If they can convincingly put the blame on the Liberal Establishment for these measures then BNP inner circle could still keep the 'Flag Waver' image appeasing more radical elements. However with this decision I should imagine there would be a split!