New Crossrail / Elizabeth line tube map released

[tim]

I could be wrong but I thought there wasn’t that much new track or stations built for the Overground? I thought it was a bit like the South Circular: most of it just uses pre-existing sections of lines to create a new network, no?

Some bits were on track-bed that had been abandoned

 

[tim]

London doesn't compete locally, there is no need. It does compete internationally and theres the rub...

 

[maomao]

There are only five cars on the trains on the days I use them; perhaps, we travel on different days. I know this as a frequent alighter at Canada Water, where I am always alerted to the fact that I must be in the first four cars (or possibly carriages) of the five car/carriage train as the platforms are too short.

I haven't used the South London overground a lot but must just be shorter platforms. I'm on one to Romford at the moment and made the mistake of getting on under the pantos where I can't stand up fully cause the ceiling is lower. Very annoying when that happens on a packed train and I'm stuck with a crooked neck for a few stops.

 

[kenny g]

Were you using the upminster to romford over ground?

 

[Crispy]

Any Overground service that goes through the old Thames tunnel is limited to 5 cars due to the very short underground platforms at Shadwell, Wapping, Rotherithe and Canada Water. Without very expensive reconstruction at these stations, that's as good as it will get.

The Lea Valley lines out of Liverpool Street have normal length platforms and so can run longer trains.

 

[19sixtysix]

At those stations they could just roll up empty first 5 cars then move and empty next 5 cars. With today's tech easily done and allows double length trains with say few minutes loss at stations in central zone. Not ideal but those trains are getting seriously busy.

 

[Crispy]

At those stations they could just roll up empty first 5 cars then move and empty next 5 cars. With today's tech easily done and allows double length trains with say few minutes loss at stations in central zone. Not ideal but those trains are getting seriously busy.

There's only 3 minutes between trains at peak times, with a dwell time of 30s. To unload both parts of a long train would more than double that. It just wouldn't fit in the timetable. There might be scope for getting 24 tph through the core.

I also doubt the small stations could cope with so many people. Canada Water is already a scrum. Although it will see some relief once Crossrail opens as most people coming form the north will change at Whitechapel instead of carrying on to the Jubilee Line.

 

[skyscraper101]

Won't be ready til end of next year now

TfL confirms Crossrail won't be open until late 2021

Transport for London's (TfL) commissioner has confirmed that the central portion of Crossrail will not be open before the end of 2021.

www.cityam.com

London's troubled Crossrail project set to open three years late | ITV News

The revised start date would make the £18.3bn scheme almost three years late and nearly £3bn over budget. | ITV News London

www.itv.com

The revised start date would make the £18.3bn scheme almost three years late and nearly £3bn over budget.

Direct trains linking Heathrow Airport with the City and Canary Wharf would be delayed until December 2022

 

[Badgers]

What a fucking toilet of a country we have become. Literally can't get anything done.

 

[editor]

Oh dear

THE delayed project to build Crossrail under central London, connecting it to existing railways on either side, may be held up once again – this time by the Covid pandemic and its effect on Transport for London revenues.

The central section should have opened in 2018, but progress has been delayed by various problems including train software and the fitting-out of stations.

It has been reported that the new transport commissioner Andy Byford has written to the Department for Transport’s permanent secretary Bernadette Kelly, warning her that the continuing financial straitjacket at Transport for London means that Crossrail is now in need of £80 million from the government if work on the project is to continue without interruption. Mr Byford has also warned that without this funding, he could ‘relinquish responsibility’ for Crossrail, which is now expected to cost £18.7 billion after a further reappraisal in August this year.

According to a Whitehall source quoted by Sky News, his letter including the phrases: ‘If agreement is not reached this week, we will have no option but to mothball the project and to seek alternative governance for its eventual completion,’ and that Crossrail was ‘no longer able to make any further financial commitments’.

Mr Byford is said to have continued: ‘I sincerely hope that we can avoid such a Doomsday scenario.’

Crossrail could be mothballed as TfL financial crisis continues | Railnews | Today's news for Tomorrow's railway

www.railnews.co.uk

 

[Teaboy]

Construction in London is fucked at the moment. Despite it theoretically being able to stay open throughout its only just clawed back to 50% output. So many workers just went back to their home countries at the start of the pandemic and have not returned. Combine this with sourcing of materials being much harder and all the financial problems. Its amazing anything is happening really.

 

[iamwithnail]

My pal works (worked) in recruitment for construction and her firm went under cause most of the sites were shutting and folk going home. Not enough jobs or folks.

 

[Teaboy]

In better news I was at a meeting yesterday regarding the thames tideway tunnel (super sewer). They are on schedule possibly even ahead. Good to know that if nothing else Britain still leads the way at shit management.

Talking of shit management... https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2020/11/25/tideway-chiefs-overpaid-349000-after-admin-error/

Its happens to us all from time to time...

 

[skyscraper101]

Don't want to get overly optimistic but it's looking to all be coming together and on track for the front end of the 'first half of 2022' window.

The youtube video updates are quite good.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Don't want to get overly optimistic but it's looking to all be coming together and on track for the front end of the 'first half of 2022' window.

It's extraordinary to think there was even a vague prospect of it opening in late '18. Whitechapel & Paddington stations are only just complete.

 

[tim]

It's extraordinary to think there was even a vague prospect of it opening in late '18. Whitechapel & Paddington stations are only just complete.

It would have been even more extraordinary to believe with Johnson and then Khan as the mayors responsible that the project would have been well managed and that the public would have been informed about the opening not running to schedule.

 

[Pickman's model]

As no functioning tube line can be named after a living person engineers have done their best to delay the Elizabeth line's opening but the queen refuses to die

 

[Crispy]

Don't want to get overly optimistic but it's looking to all be coming together and on track for the front end of the 'first half of 2022' window.

Apart from Bond Street. We don't talk about Bond Street

 

[tim]

Apart from Bond Street. We don't talk about Bond Street

There is no street with that name near the station, anyway.

 

[Elpenor]

Crossrail, London’s new train line, is almost finished

But will the commuters come?

www.economist.com

A good article about the belated Crossrail. Behind a paywall but I use that chrome extension which bypasses it.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Wow, 10% more rail capacity for Ldn. Looking forward to going to Southall for a curry more easily.

 

[hash tag]

Wow, 10% more rail capacity for Ldn. Looking forward to going to Southall for a curry more easily.

I'm sorry but I'm struggling for links but have read that SWtrains is proposing a cut in services and this comes at a time when the area is becoming even more densely populated. Putney's Local Web site

 

[tim]

I'm sorry but I'm struggling for links but have read that SWtrains is proposing a cut in services and this comes at a time when the area is becoming even more densely populated. Putney's Local Web site

They probably reason that since so much money has been spent on upgrading Putney Station, that it is now a much better place to wait.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm sorry but I'm struggling for links but have read that SWtrains is proposing a cut in services and this comes at a time when the area is becoming even more densely populated. Putney's Local Web site

They're cutting Dorking services, to spite kabbes

 

[T & P]

I will be extremely disappointed if the Heathrow supplement (assuming they’re going to slap one on, which seems likely) makes journeys to and from LHR similarly expensive to the laughable Heathrow Express.

 

[kabbes]

They're cutting Dorking services, to spite kabbes

I’m fighting back by staying at home more.

 

[kabbes]

I'm sorry but I'm struggling for links but have read that SWtrains is proposing a cut in services and this comes at a time when the area is becoming even more densely populated. Putney's Local Web site

Yes, I got this from our local councillor:

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South West Trains to Reduce Mole Valley Services by Half?

South West trains are proposing not to reinstate the services between London Waterloo, Epsom and Leatherhead in the off-peak period from the current two (pandemic timetable) to four (pre pandemic timetable) per hour.

This means keeping the current timetable of one service per hour rather than going back to two per hour to Boxhill / Westhumble and Dorking (on the basis that customers for stations between Epsom and Dorking are able to use alternative services to London provided by Southern) and to Bookham (on the basis that Bookham Station has relatively low off-peak usage with an average of five people per train in the May 2019 timetable).

In addition, there will be fewer additional peak hour services than in the pre pandemic timetable.

The consultation document can be found at Cheap Train Tickets | Travel Safely | South Western Railway and responses should be sent by 19 September 2021 to: dec22consultation@swrailway.com

 

[Badgers]

 

[Elpenor]

Only initially, within a year or so it will be running end to end?

 

[Badgers]

Only initially, within a year or so it will be running end to end?

You think?