National Walkout Against Fees 24.11.10

[moon23]

...and apparently its a "good thing" that ex-students will paying that off for even longer according to the Lib Dems. Debt for Life, it's good for the poor...

For the poorest students it essentially amounts to a graduate tax, if you never earn over £21K then you have had a free education anyway.

 

[moon23]

moon23's semi-detached.

I live in a flat.

 

[moon23]

Sorry but this is dishonest. Clegg initially opposed ALL FEE RISES. Now we are told that the proposals are not merely not as bad as the initial Tory proposals (because of Lib dem moves to amend them) We are told that the proposals themselves are in the interests of poor students. Clegg was on TV yesterday patronising the demonstrators and telling them to read the proposals because they will find they are GOOD FOR THE POOREST students. So again this begs the question, Why, if these proposals are so great, didn't the Lib dems advocate them before the election. They could have. They didn't. They did the opposite. They promised to oppose them. They lied

Simply becuase we are not in sole power and have to compromise, due to working with the proposals we have ensured they help some of the poorest students more than they would have. Not having to pay back a student loan on a low income and paying back less a month will help some of the poorest graduates in the future. Also the extra money for the poorest students will help them too.

 

[Prince Rhyus]

Here's another one.

Weak rapping but still, a point well made.

 

[killer b]

For the poorest students it essentially amounts to a graduate tax, if you never earn over £21K then you have had a free education anyway.

fuck you.

 

[pk]

moon23 - you'll be out of a job quick if you're really a propaganda merchant for Clegg and his docile subservient Tory-fearing yes men.

You're shit. You make the Iraqi Defence Minister look like Charlton Heston's Moses.

Do you wipe your arse with the party print-outs once you've tapped them out here?

Seems a shame to otherwise waste good paper.

 

[DotCommunist]

almost word for word vince cables lines from last sundays Daily Politics

 

[creak]

Simply becuase we are not in sole power and have to compromise, due to working with the proposals we have ensured they help some of the poorest students more than they would have. Not having to pay back a student loan on a low income and paying back less a month will help some of the poorest graduates in the future. Also the extra money for the poorest students will help them too.

Interest is still building up at commercial rates for graduates until they hit 21k though. And even though they'd be paying back less each month than now, they're going to be paying far, far more over a much longer period instead- tripled fees plus high interest, for decades. Most of their working life, in fact. Then add on maintenance loans for the three to four years they're studying, again with interest. What exactly have your lot done to help students, sorry?

 

[pk]

For the poorest students it essentially amounts to a graduate tax, if you never earn over £21K then you have had a free education anyway.

How much do YOU earn?

 

[Pickman's model]

How much do YOU earn?

it's certainly less than what he's paid.

 

[Pickman's model]

I live in a flat.

semi-detached from reality you shitferbrains oxygen thief.

 

[creak]

Anyone know what's happening to fees for postgrad courses as well, btw?

 

[Fruitloop]

Of course the 21k limit will be adjusted downwards. It was by the Tories last time.

 

[pk]

Don't let the fuckwit derail the thread, it's not about the LibDems who have rendered themselves powerless to stop any of the Tory cuts.

Ignore him, let him have his Cleggy wank fantasies on his own.

The LibDems will be punished hard next election. All those years in the dark, then they fuck it up so badly like this ensuring another decade of futile fuck-all.

LOL, I pity the die-hard supporters and campaigners, what an embarrassment...

 

[moon23]

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/1...hen-police-charged-into-students-with-horses/

Now this over the top police behaviour, you don't need to charge a kettle!

 

[moon23]

moon23 - you'll be out of a job quick if you're really a propaganda merchant for Clegg and his docile subservient Tory-fearing yes men.

You're shit. You make the Iraqi Defence Minister look like Charlton Heston's Moses.

Do you wipe your arse with the party print-outs once you've tapped them out here?

Seems a shame to otherwise waste good paper.

I don't work for the party.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't work for the party.

lucky old party

 

[Santino]

So it's just 'The Party' now.

 

[_angel_]

Thanks a lot Lib Dems you just made sure my baby son prob doesn't get a whiff of a chance of university, if he wanted to go.

 

[Blagsta]

I don't work for the party.

not in a paid position you don't

 

[moon23]

So it's just 'The Party' now.

Or Lib Dems, whatever. Look I didn't join the party becuase I wanted tutition fees to rise, it's federal policy to oppose it. In that situation of a hung parliment I think the Coalition was the right thing to do, but agreeing to something that went against a pledge was fucking stupid. Given that mess I generally think the party is working to try and make these proposals fairer but the problem is most people voted Tory so you are getting this which is essentialy a Tory policy. The MP I helped to elect is voting against the increase, and if i'd signed the pledge I probably would too.

 

[moon23]

not in a paid position you don't

Well true in the sense that next week i'm off to help in Oldham for free as an activst.

 

[butchersapron]

I doubt you'll be hearing the phrase first one in my family to go to university much more now - last one one in my family to go to university might become increasingly common.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't work for the party.

moon23, on right, explaining to prospective student what her debt will be

 

[Pickman's model]

Well true in the sense that next week i'm off to help in Oldham for free as an activst.

i look forward to hearing you're going to dartmoor as a convict.

 

[butchersapron]

Or Lib Dems, whatever. Look I didn't join the party becuase I wanted tutition fees to rise, it's federal policy to oppose it. In that situation of a hung parliment I think the Coalition was the right thing to do, but agreeing to something that went against a pledge was fucking stupid. Given that mess I generally think the party is working to try and make these proposals fairer but the problem is most people voted Tory so you are getting this which is essentialy a Tory policy. The MP I helped to elect is voting against the increase, and if i'd signed the pledge I probably would too.

Federal policy is to oppose not just a rise in tuition fees, but tuition fees in their entirety. Therefore, the right thing to do is to support them tutiion fees and a rise in tuition fees. What pathetic knots you lot have tied yourselves up in. Losing the last finger grip on political reality.

 

[Santino]

In principle I am against the deportation of Jews, gypsies and homosexuals to labour camps, but since we didn't win the election it's right that we make the trains more comfortable.

 

[Pickman's model]

In principle I am against the deportation of Jews, gypsies and homosexuals to labour camps, but since we didn't win the election it's right that we make the trains more comfortable.

you've been drinking from the same bottle moon23 favours

 

[chilango]

but the problem is most people voted Tory

No they didn't.

36.1% of the those that voted (on a 65% turnout).

Not much of a mandate.

 

[Pickman's model]

No they didn't.

36.1% of the those that voted (on a 65% turnout).

Not much of a mandate.

maths not moon23's strong suit.