National Walkout Against Fees 24.11.10

[moon23]

More people voted Tory that they did for any other party. Unless I was an idiot who insisted on pointless pedantry I remain happy to say that most people voted for them.

Pointless pedantry is just an excuse for a bit of verbal abuse. I wonder how these people function in the real world.

 

[Random]

John, Gill and Harry each stood for election,

John got 10 votes,
Harry got 5 votes,
Gill got 7 vote,

Who out of John Harry and Gill got the most votes.

'Most people did not vote for John'

 

[Pickman's model]

More people voted Tory that they did for any other party. Unless I was an idiot who insisted on pointless pedantry I remain happy to say that most people voted for them.

but that's 36.1% of 65%, which is 23.5% of the eligible population. which means that more people did not vote for a party - the abstentions received most votes.

 

[Belushi]

John, Gill and Harry each stood for election,

John got 10 votes,
Harry got 5 votes,
Gill got 7 vote,

Who out of John Harry and Gill got the most votes.

But it would be dishonest to say most people voted for John; that simply wouldn't be true. See the difference?

 

[Pickman's model]

Pointless pedantry is just an excuse for a bit of verbal abuse. I wonder how these people function in the real world.

i wonder how you function in the asylum for the terminally bewildered.

 

[Lock&Light]

Pointless pedantry is just an excuse for a bit of verbal abuse.

The politics forums on Urban have always been a favourite haunt for pedantry peddlers.

 

[Pickman's model]

That won't help pickman to understand. Nothing will help pickman to understand.

who's pickman?

 

[Pickman's model]

The politics forums on Urban have always been a favourite haunt for pedantry peddlers.

as can be seen from your unwelcome presence.

 

[moon23]

Attacking the lib-dems is attacking the tories - and it's attacking their extreme right flank.

If you're arguing that the result must be respected blah blah blah then you have every right to follow the constitutional convention of using your minority influence to get what you want - that's how our democracy works. You're not arguing for that though are you? And you're not because you and your party support both the principle of tuition fees and the proposed rise.

The party made a coaliton deal, it's to be expected that the larger party who attracted more votes is in some areas going to get their way with their policy. What the Lib Dems have done is taken that policy and made it fairer.

 

[moon23]

as can be seen from your unwelcome presence.

Everyone is welcome to post here, not just those that agree with you.

 

[Pickman's model]

The party made a coaliton deal, it's to be expected that the larger party who attracted more votes is in some areas going to get their way with their policy. What the Lib Dems have done is taken that policy and made it fairer.

 

[SpineyNorman]

You have made a category error, this was not a mathematical query and only becomes one when it is framed in a semantic context that arises from a particular definition of most as being a share of total voter turnout rather than comparatively to other parties total voter share.

The error was yours. (If it was an error, I am beginning to think you are utterly incapable of telling the truth). You said most people voted Tory, not the most. There is only one possible interpretation of that statement and it is the one people have taken.

 

[Lock&Light]

as can be seen from your unwelcome presence.

A ten-year old would be embarressed by that reply.

 

[Pickman's model]

Everyone is welcome to post here, not just those that agree with you.

you're quite lock yourself, you know.

 

[pk]

You have made a category error, this was not a mathematical query and only becomes one when it is framed in a semantic context that arises from a particular definition of most as being a share of total voter turnout rather than comparatively to other parties total voter share.

Right, that is it, it's official. You are a cunt.

 

[Pickman's model]

A ten-year old would be embarressed by that reply.

but nothing to say on-topic i see.

 

[Lock&Light]

There is only one possible interpretation of that statement and it is the one people have taken.

If you were prepared to have a proper discussion, then you would have accepted the obvious meaning behind the words, rather than pretend that this is a court of law.

 

[pk]

A ten-year old would be embarressed by that reply.

A nine year old would be embarrassed by your spelling...

 

[Belushi]

Lol. Pickmans having a go at that prick Lock and Light, pk calling someone a cunt... this is like old times

 

[frogwoman]

No. but most people did vote for them.

huh?? Did you follow the news? they didn't get enough seats to gain a majority, and only just over half of the population turned out to vote. how is 36% of those who voted (never mind the ones who didn't) "most people"?

 

[ymu]

For the poorest students it essentially amounts to a graduate tax, if you never earn over £21K then you have had a free education anyway.

Another lie!

With a graduate tax, the highest earners pay back the most because they earn the most and the tax is proportional to earnings.

With loans, the lowest earners pay back the most because they can't pay it back as quickly so they incur the most interest on those loans.

Stop copy-pasting party propaganda. I even gave you some numbers on this last time you tried to make this case. A graduate tax of 3% would cover the cost of fees and a £5k per year maintenance grant for every student. This abominable scheme has people paying back 9% of their incomes, with no grant, and masses of that cash going on interest rather than anything worthwhile.

Either learn to think for yourself and post something meaningful, or quit insulting us by assuming we will fall for this nonsense.

 

[moon23]

Attacking the lib-dems is attacking the tories - and it's attacking their extreme right flank.

If you're arguing that the result must be respected blah blah blah then you have every right to follow the constitutional convention of using your minority influence to get what you want - that's how our democracy works. You're not arguing for that though are you? And you're not because you and your party support both the principle of tuition fees and the proposed rise.

The Lib Dems are not the far-right flank, you are actually only succeeding through the sheer vitriol of the left in pushing many Lib Dems further to the right.

 

[Lock&Light]

huh?? Did you follow the news? they didn't get enough seats to gain a majority, and only just over half of the population turned out to vote. how is 36% of those who voted (never mind the ones who didn't) "most people"?

I refer the honourable lady to the answers given above.

 

[Pickman's model]

huh?? Did you follow the news? they didn't get enough seats to gain a majority, and only just over half of the population turned out to vote. how is 36% of those who voted (never mind the ones who didn't) "most people"?

he's full of shite, as per pitiful attempt to wriggle on previous page

 

[frogwoman]

John, Gill and Harry each stood for election,

John got 10 votes,
Harry got 5 votes,
Gill got 7 vote,

Who out of John Harry and Gill got the most votes.

NO you fool it is not the same

How about:

There was an election

John got 10 votes
Harry got 5 votes
Gill got 7 votes
8 people did not vote

do you get it??? Do you ge why most people did not vote for John???

 

[Lock&Light]

A nine year old would be embarrassed by your spelling...

My son is dyslectic, but at 14 he makes a lot more sense than you.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Lib Dems are not the far-right flank, you are actually only succeeding through the sheer vitriol of the left in pushing many Lib Dems further to the right.

there won't be very many lib dems in the near future. your foul party's going the way of the dodo.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Well I have issues too with FPTP, but it's the current democratic model that is used to elect people. Yes the smaller party could hold the larger one to ransom in a coalition, this is not a very democratic way to go about your business however.

Let me get this straight - you've lied to your voters and broken promises in order to defend democracy? These are principled lies!

 

[frogwoman]

The Lib Dems are not the far-right flank, you are actually only succeeding through the sheer vitriol of the left in pushing many Lib Dems further to the right.

That ed milliband. He's from north london you know.

 

[Pickman's model]

Let me get this straight - you've lied to your voters and broken promises in order to defend democracy? These are principled lies!

it's a westminster thing