Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

National Walkout Against Fees 24.11.10

It's actually fairer this way. People with one Jewish or gypsy grandparent are now exempt from heavy labour shifts.
 
No they didn't.

36.1% of the those that voted (on a 65% turnout).

Not much of a mandate.

It should also be noted that many of those most affected by the tuition fees rise were too young to vote but have to hand the cash over regardless.

No taxation without representation eh Moon?
 
maths not moon23's strong suit.

You have made a category error, this was not a mathematical query and only becomes one when it is framed in a semantic context that arises from a particular definition of most as being a share of total voter turnout rather than comparatively to other parties total voter share.
 
You have made a category error, this was not a mathematical query and only becomes one when it is framed in a semantic context that arises from a particular definition of most as being a share of total voter turnout rather than comparatively to other parties total voter share.
mrlogic1.jpg


you are mr logic and i claim my £5.
 
In terms of the most votes of any party. 36.1% is more of a share then Labour got to hold a workable majority in 2005.

But that's not what you meant.

You meant that you were going along with the democratically expressed views of the country. No?

If you're just playing parliamentary maths, you guys have the numbers to bring the coalition down and stop the fees rise. But you don't want to.
 
You have made a category error, this was not a mathematical query and only becomes one when it is framed in a semantic context that arises from a particular definition of most as being a share of total voter turnout rather than comparatively to other parties total voter share.

Yes i agree, when you said most you clearly didn't mean most. And you're still wrong anyway.
 
But that's not what you meant.

You meant that you were going along with the democratically expressed views of the country. No?

If you're just playing parliamentary maths, you guys have the numbers to bring the coalition down and stop the fees rise. But you don't want to.

Well I have issues too with FPTP, but it's the current democratic model that is used to elect people. Yes the smaller party could hold the larger one to ransom in a coalition, this is not a very democratic way to go about your business however.

The problem many people are falling to address is that so many people voted Tory. Their recent polls put them back in the lead against Labour or Tied. Whereas it seems possible to attack the Lib Dems, the underlying Tory ideology of the nation is going unchallenged.
 
Or Lib Dems, whatever. Look I didn't join the party becuase I wanted tutition fees to rise, it's federal policy to oppose it. In that situation of a hung parliment I think the Coalition was the right thing to do, but agreeing to something that went against a pledge was fucking stupid. Given that mess I generally think the party is working to try and make these proposals fairer but the problem is most people voted Tory so you are getting this which is essentialy a Tory policy. The MP I helped to elect is voting against the increase, and if i'd signed the pledge I probably would too.

Most people voted Tory? Another blatant lie. If most people voted Tory, why did they need to go into coalition with you? Fact is most people voted AGAINST the Tories. They voted for parties that advocated a more careful approach to cuts, like for instance the Lib Dems. Look where it got them. People voted for you to represent them; the positions laid out in your manifesto appealed to them, as did the pledge, signed by individual MP's promising unconditionally to vote AGAINST increases in fees. You have betrayed them.

It was NOT inevitable that we would get this. You could have left them as a minority, or you could have incuded in the agreement the option of your MPs voting against this. Instead you decided to betray the people who voted for you, proving once and for all that the Lib Dems seek power and nothing else. Your policies are all aimed simply at winning votes - you don't believe in any of it. If you did you wouldn't have got into bed with the Tories.

If you really wanted people to engage in the democratic process, maybe it would have been a good idea to respect said process, since by lying and breaking every promise yoiu have ever made you have discredited it and ensured that people will use alternative methods.
 
Well I have issues too with FPTP, but it's the current democratic model that is used to elect people. Yes the smaller party could hold the larger one to ransom in a coalition, this is not a very democratic way to go about your business however.

The problem many people are falling to address is that so many people voted Tory. Their recent polls put them back in the lead against Labour or Tied. Whereas it seems possible to attack the Lib Dems, the underlying Tory ideology of the nation is going unchallenged.

Attacking the lib-dems is attacking the tories - and it's attacking their extreme right flank.

If you're arguing that the result must be respected blah blah blah then you have every right to follow the constitutional convention of using your minority influence to get what you want - that's how our democracy works. You're not arguing for that though are you? And you're not because you and your party support both the principle of tuition fees and the proposed rise.
 
you fucking useless tosser. when did 36.1% become 'most people'? you really are thick as fucking pigshit.

More people voted Tory that they did for any other party. Unless I was an idiot who insisted on pointless pedantry I remain happy to say that most people voted for them.
 
Back
Top Bottom