National Walkout Against Fees 24.11.10

[Doctor Carrot]

so why not set it in the context of the violence that these cuts are inflicting on people's lives and life chances?

I agree with this and it was very noticeable in the BBC reports yesterday. On more than one occasion I heard them trying to bully some students they were interviewing into admitting they condoned violence. They kept on banging on about violence and yet not one single mention of the violence of these policies.

 

[Santino]

The police hardly needed a justification for penning people in after the violence earlier in the month.

I think they needed a legal justification for detaining and photographing people who were protesting peacefully or just happened to be near the protest.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

I'm over 50 too but that doesn't stop me from cheering on those who are smashing things up. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "as a society we are far too tolerant of the use and justification of it". You'll need to provide some evidence for this because from what I've seen of the right wing press, the opposite is true.

I always have to laugh when people say "violent protests never achieve anything". How about the Suffragettes? Their protests were 'violent' and they won the vote for women. However I don't buy this argument that smashing a few windows and attacking an empty police van equates to real violence. That's the capitalist position which holds that property is more important than people. What an obscenity.

So you've seen the right wing press? and you say they don't display a tolerance of violence? What about in relation to Afghanistan and Iraq or even the tactics of the police on demonstrations?

Perhaps you missed my earlier points. I'm not saying there isn't a justification for violence sometimes, but in this particular case violence by protestors may well be what the authorities were angling for and they've been given it on a plate.

 

[nino_savatte]

So you've seen the right wing press? and you say they don't display a tolerance of violence? What about in relation to Afghanistan and Iraq or even the tactics of the police on demonstrations?

Perhaps you missed my earlier points. I'm not saying there isn't a justification for violence sometimes, but in this particular case violence by protestors may well be what the authorities were angling for and they've been given it on a plate.

You're moving the goalposts. What you seem to be indicating here is an example of press hypocrisy. Context is everything.

 

[Pickman's model]

So you've seen the right wing press? and you say they don't display a tolerance of violence? What about in relation to Afghanistan and Iraq or even the tactics of the police on demonstrations?

Perhaps you missed my earlier points. I'm not saying there isn't a justification for violence sometimes, but in this particular case violence by protestors may well be what the authorities were angling for and they've been given it on a plate.

2 injured cops hardly speaks to a ton of violence

 

[Pickman's model]

Not 100% certain but I think so, it does have a 01 on the roof as well, but I would imagine all there personel carriers would be uniquely identifiable the same way from top and side, the top 01 may have another meaning. I am looking into it. On public order duty they also should have the serial number in the front and back windows, normally written on paper, you see all the TSG vehicles with a U followed by a number, the serial in the van. I have seen a bit of paper where it should be on the photos and videos, but have not seen what is written on the paper to know if it is the serial no.

1) if it's BQV on the top then that's the van's unique identifier

2) tsg vans all start with A, eg APP, which is a van used by 3tsg

3) it's also the wrong sort of van for the tsg who use the silver carriers.

4) it's a borough carrier for level 2 public order trained officers, though from which borough i don't know.

 

[Pickman's model]

at a guess i'd say the van's from brent, which is where the officers along the line at the south end of whitehall were from

 

[Prince Rhyus]

On the Iraq war mkII it was all a bit too much

...in the right wing press...

 

[free spirit]

not sure if this has already been posted, but from the local news, plus email lists, Leeds, Sheffield and Newcastle uni have all still got students occupying parts of them.

they probably ought to have been occupying the vice chancellors offices rather than lecture theatres if they wanted to target the protests at those who'll be setting the fees, and who could possibly have some influence on this (or MP's offices maybe), but still good to see.

 

[killer b]

aye, how come sheffield haven't set up camp in clegg's constituency office?

guess that's something for tuesday...

 

[moon23]

Moon, there are two questions here that you are more or less compelled to answer. the one about lying/confidential documents, and dylan's one. Answer please

I've had quite a few glasses of wine this evening and am relaxing, I shall have a look tomorrow an answer in due course.

 

[Santino]

I've had quite a few glasses of wine this evening and am relaxing, I shall have a look tomorrow an answer in due course.

Why not try thinking about it for yourself?

 

[stethoscope]

Why not try thinking about it for yourself?

He's got to ask Shev's partner first.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I've had quite a few glasses of wine this evening and am relaxing, I shall have a look tomorrow an answer in due course.

don't have a row with a copper.

 

[Santino]

He's got to ask Shev's partner first.

lol

 

[newbie]

at a guess i'd say the van's from brent, which is where the officers along the line at the south end of whitehall were from

Sutton apparently, fwiw

http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/new...ficers__van_ransacked_during_student_protest/

 

[killer b]

the results of their poll is encouraging...

 

[newbie]

Your Vote

Do you agree with student protests over tuition fees?

Yes:
Blue bar used for ballot results 58%

No:
Yellow bar used for ballot results 14%

Only peaceful protest:
Purple bar used for ballot results 27%

I don't care:
Green bar used for ballot results 1%

 

[shaman75]

Horse's in London

 

[ferrelhadley]

Just beat me to it, they are cunts.

 

[shaman75]

Horses in London

http://www.demotix.com/news/518402/met-police-deny-horse-charge-16-images-prove-them-wrong

 

[ferrelhadley]

Another video, perhaps a different incident

 

[ferrelhadley]

Even the police horses got a beating by truncheons

 

[shaman75]

Has this been posted yet? Great video...

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Yeah good video, like the "Thanks for the POLICE setup" graffiti on the van and shame about the date fail at the end of the video lol. Anyone know the name of the song used in the middle? I mean I know the song just forget the name.

 

[shaman75]

Frankie Valli & The 4 Seasons - Beggin.

 

[ferrelhadley]

 

[shaman75]

2:39!!! Shield meets head.

 

[shaman75]

so what have they changed since the g20 protests?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/25/police-could-lose-public-consent

 

[ferrelhadley]

There are shitloads of videos out there now, loads from Manchester as well as London. Some pretty rough stuff up there including horse charges but far less agro from the crowd.

I think its worth people looking through videos from their local protests, I think a lot of the people uploading dont really know where to link their videos to too get attention. There may be some interesting stuff in them.