Mumbai: coordinated terrorist attacks, westerners targetted

[iROBOT]

I agree with that except all reports suggest loads of explosions still going on and what are they waiting for. It appears they have been merrily shooting hostages so why bother waiting

Of course it's mindless speculation but I couldnt see the SAS taking this long to flush out a hotel, they took about 10 minutes for the Iranian embassy a few years back.

Do you really think all this (below) took Ten minutes to prepare????

SAS assault

In preparation for storming the building, the landing paths of planes into Heathrow Airport were lowered and British Gas began noisy drilling in an adjoining street to provide noise cover as the SAS moved into position. Detailed architectural plans were obtained of the building, which added to by the freed hostages and a detailed briefing from the caretaker (who revealed that the first two floors had bullet-proof glass installed, hence the eventual use of explosive devices in the assault); plus a night time reconnaissance from their forward base at No.14 next door, which revealed a skylight in an top floor bathroom, and panoramic skylight on the second roof floor.
Prior to the attack the terrorists and hostages had been observed through fibre-optic probes that had been inserted through the shared wall of an adjoining building. Microphones were used to eavesdrop from the building next door. The raid had been rehearsed in a mock-up of the building in a nearby British army barracks in central London.
The plan, called a Deliberate Action in SAS parlance, consisted of five four man teams (the hostages were located on the second floor, separated with men at the front, women at the rear of the building) :
One team to the rear, entry via the first floor, entry from No.14's balcony - as seen by BBC cameras
One team through the second floor panoramic skylight to the stairwell, entry via abseiling
One team through the second floor front balcony, entry via abseilling
One team through the first floor door, clearing the basement
One team through the first floor door, clearing the first floor
The assault started at 19:23 hours on 5 May 1980 (a Bank Holiday Monday)[1] at the rear of the building with the detonation of an explosive charge in the second floor stairwell, 23 minutes after the dead hostage had been thrown from the building. Simultaneously, electrical power was cut to the building. Stun grenades were used to disorient the terrorists during the attack and the SAS troopers were armed with Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine guns.[1]

Incredible, first all Hindus are shit nationalists then the Indian Army's a bunch of useless cunts....(but hey we all love the SAS dont we?)

Go Urban!!

 

[Teaboy]

Wasn't the Iranian embassy seige an SAS fuck up?

Off topic, but not as far as I'm aware. I watched a documentary about it a couple of years ago and they all seemed pretty pleased with themselves.

 

[iROBOT]

They managed to kill the terrorists though - result in my opinion.

Yup, and guess what religion they were?

 

[Teaboy]

Do you really think all this (below) took Ten minutes to prepare????





Incredible, first all Hindus are shit nationalists then the Indian Army's a bunch of useless cunts....(but hey we all love the SAS dont we?)

Go Urban!!

Congratulations the last person on this thread who didnt think you are a cunt now does.

Twat. Of course it didnt take ten minutes to prepare, and yes I do think three days seems like quite a long time agains what appears to be less than 20 guys, but then again it is mindless speculation as I said.

 

[Teaboy]

Yup, and guess what religion they were?

And what religion were the hostages?

Fucks sake man, the siege had fuck all to do with religion.

 

[Jonti]

They were Iranians opposed to the Shah's despotic rule. And rightly so!

What's your point y'bigotted religious shit-stirrer?

 

[Barking_Mad]

I didn't realise they were done in the name of Christianity or that the USA, which has no state religion, acts in the name of Christianity.

Not paying enough attention then.

President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

"I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-509925.html

 

[Teaboy]

They were Iranians opposed to the Shah's despotic rule. And rightly so!

What's your point y'bigotted religious shit-stirrer?

Backed up by Iraq if I remember correctly. I trust the abuse is not aimed at me

 

[hipipol]

Incredible, first all Hindus are shit nationalists then the Indian Army's a bunch of useless cunts....(but hey we all love the SAS dont we?)

Go Urban!!

No one has said that ALL Hindus are anything - though having spent a few days in Varanasi - which was fucking awful, filled with Western twats seeking "enlightenment" , well their wallets certainly got lighter - I'd say a fair number of Sadhus are theives and rapists -and I'm fairly certain no one has taken the piss out of the Indian army, just assumed the SAS are some sort Warrior NINJA Shaolin Temple mega toughs (wrong!!) but you need to chill a bit or your head really will explode

 

[hipipol]

Oh my Bushy

Modern day Savanrola that one

Pity we can string the fuck up the same way

 

[Zachor]

Yup, and guess what religion they were?

Followers of the 'religion of peace' no doubt.

I'm trying so very very hard not to paint all Muslims with the same bloodied brush as these murderers.

But its fucking really difficult especially when the murderers have systematically targetted Jews.

Maybe now the govt will grow some balls and stop pussyfooting around and stop dealing with Islamist nutters like Sacranie like equals and stop their twisted version of Islam being seen as the norm.

Progressive Muslims have been squeezed out of the picture by these wankers in the UK.

Time for them to be dealt with harshly and their Left apologists too.

 

[iROBOT]

I'm waiting for the moderate Muslims to start a campaign against the nutters that have taken over their religion.

Untill there is a concerted effort within Islam to address the disfunction within their faith, they deserve nothing but derision

 

[Jonti]

Oh, not this fookin' neo-con shit again!!

You are either a deliberate liar, or mind-bogglingly ignorant.

Is it 'cos you iz a a high-caste shit stirrer afraid you'll lose your high-borne caste status?

 

[butchersapron]

I'm waiting for the moderate Muslims to start a campaign against the nutters that have taken over their religion.

Untill there is a concerted effort within Islam to address the disfunction within their faith, they deserve nothing but derision

Something like this?

ON JULY 6, 170 of the world's leading Muslim clerics and scholars gathered in Amman, Jordan, where, in an unprecedented display of inter-sectarian collaboration, they issued a joint fatwa denouncing all acts of terrorism committed in the name of Islam. Never before had representatives of every major sect and school of law in Islam assembled as a single body, much less addressed issues of mutual concern.

Yet the message of the Amman declaration against terrorism was neither new nor unique. Despite lingering misperceptions in the West, since Sept. 11, 2001, hundreds of fatwas have been issued by Muslim groups and clerical leaders around the world denouncing terrorism in general and Al Qaeda in particular.

 

[TAE]

I'm trying so very very hard not to paint all Muslims with the same bloodied brush as these murderers.

The thing is, just about anyone can commit crimes in the name of any religion.

Some nutter could start a group calling themselves the Quaker Libration Army and attack car show rooms and computer shops.

 

[iROBOT]

Something like this?

It's a start. Didnt work did it, and how many have heard of it...There has to be conviction too and not just words.

I want the moderate Muslims to start quoting the Korans Hypocrites in relation to those that murder in their name, only that will stop them, as the Koran is the religion

 

[butchersapron]

You're of exactly the same mindset as those fundie twats you think you're condemning.

 

[Zachor]

The thing is, just about anyone can commit crimes in the name of any religion.

Some nutter could start a group calling themselves the Quaker Libration Army and attack car show rooms and computer shops.

Highly unlikely though (I know quite a few Quakers).

Islamofascism is the number one danger for progressive democratic states and needs to be treated as such.

 

[frogwoman]

oh dear

 

[hipipol]

Its got fuck all to do with the Prophet said and awful lot to do with this nutter

Ibn-Abd-al-Wahhab-Muhammad founder of the really crazy school of thought that everybody do didn't agree with him needed to die - even in his own time people thought him dangerous and irrational - and I'm talking about his fellow Muslims!!!
After the fall of Delhi to the Brits in 1857 many of the Jihadis (they called themselves that) who had gathered to fight the Kafir and proclaimed a Jihad - much to the disgust of the orginal Hindhu East India Company sepoys who had strted the whole thing and against the will of the last Moghul Emperor Bahadur Shah who issued orders against it (but he was 82 and no one paid a blind bit of attention to him) many of those left buggered off to form a very similar thought group called the Deobandis
Unfortunately a confluence of Saudi wedge and a reaction against the West have given these guys a lot of resonace amongst the poor and probably more amongst those who think they ought to be running things but are being held back cos no one likes Muslims
You will like most of what you read about the Deobandis iRobot, it fits your ideas well, however the bit where they condemn Terrorism you may find a trifle unsettling
However, it is cartainly true that they, the Wahabis and Salifis seem to hald sawy at the moment and it does make the Jihaids life a lot easier
Here is a cry from the heart form a Muslim man depressed by what he sees of Salifist dominance

In all they seem to conform to the notion of Warrior Monks, bit like the Knights Templar, well in their maddest forms like the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat - the very name of which gives a hefty clue to what they are about
However, most Muslims are nothing like that, in fact most PEOPLE are nothing like that, whcih in turn makes it easier for groups like these to attract the nutter element

 

[hipipol]

Highly unlikely though (I know quite a few Quakers).

Islamofascism is the number one danger for progressive democratic states and needs to be treated as such.

Wow, now theres a thought eh?
Are you by any chance a memeber of the Kach Party?

They is all coming out of the woodwork now, eh Froggy?

 

[Zachor]

oh dear

Whats that for? For speaking the truth?

 

[Zachor]

Wow, now theres a thought eh?
Are you by any chance a memeber of the Kach Party?

They is all coming out of the woodwork now, eh Froggy?

I'm not a member of any party.

 

[frogwoman]

i can see this going well.

 

[T & P]

Islamofascism is the number one danger for progressive democratic states and needs to be treated as such.

Perhaps one way to address that danger is to try to stop practically the entire Muslim world (and many nations of other denominations) seeing Christian Imperialism as the number one threat to their way of life.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Highly unlikely though (I know quite a few Quakers).

Islamofascism is the number one danger for progressive democratic states and needs to be treated as such.

Only if you're unable to count to ten because thanks to centuries of selective inbreeding you only feature 7 fingers and a single oversized thumb.

 

[hipipol]

Highly unlikely though (I know quite a few Quakers).

Islamofascism is the number one danger for progressive democratic states and needs to be treated as such.

If you really believe that then you are very much part of the problem not the slution

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Let's face it, the total cost of terrorism in lives lost is less than die on the US's roads in a year and the economical cost is less than that caused by the current recession so far.

 

[frogwoman]

"islamofascism" - how is this the danger to our way of life?

there are more people dieing in car crashes than in terrorist attacks for fucks sake. let's start a War Against Car Ownership (WACO) if you see anyone driving a car, especially the more "offensive" models, they should be taken off the raod and shot

terrorism by jihadist groups, while undoubtedly horrible, pales into insignificance when you consider the other things that threaten our way of life that have unfortunately lent support to muslim terrorism

what about suicide bombers in Sri Lanka, who aren't muslim and in fact in some cases target muslims themselves?

do you realy think terrorism is a bigger threat than say the problems in the world economy, all the problems in Iceland and the like can't be blamed on that, can they? what is more likely to affect your life?

it seems to me that you have been reading some anti-islam propaganda hyping up a terrorist threat, and have been taken in by it, NO WAY is terrorism the chief danger to our way of life, i'm not saying that it doesn't exist, because it IS a massive problem and i also get pissed off with fucktards on the left like george galloway almost trying to justify it, but get some perspective ffs

 

[Jonti]

Islamofascism is the number one danger for progressive democratic states and needs to be treated as such.

50% or so of the Islamic world is in their teens or younger! I think me and me mates have a lot more attraction for those kids than the murderous and warmongering Bushes, Blairs and bin Ladens of this world.

The way I see it, our "political masters" hate and fear our freedom and our values almost as much as do Osama and his fellow puritan bearded weirdos.