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Mighty Hoopla, Cross The Tracks, Wide Awake & City Splash festivals, Brockwell Park - discussion

I, on the other hand, am resenting having this and next weekend permeated continuously by a festival that I can neither attend nor make any beneficial link for the wider community from.


I do realise that not everyone likes or wants these festivals.

I love them. I think they really add to our community. I don’t like how access to the park is hampered and restricted, but for me, it’s a compromise I’m willing to live with. I feel happy when I’m bimbling about at a festival in my own back yard, and I like hearing the music even when I’m not there. But then, I’m one who loves to hear a party going on all night when I’m at home in bed (fortunately, all the people who have parties near me all have great music taste!)

I’d never try to persuade somebody to agree with me though, because I understand that it is really intrusive and upsetting for some people. Noise and sound that comes from elsewhere can be like torture, I know.

The questions around £££, funding etc. are obviously vexed too.
 
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I do realise that not everyone like someone or wants these festivals.

I love them. I think they really add to our community. I don’t like how access to the park is hampered and restricted, but for me, it’s a compromise I’m willing to live with. I feel happy when I’m bimbling about at a festival in my own back yard, and I like hearing the music even when I’m not there. But then, I’m one who loves to hear a party going on all night when I’m at home in bed (fortunately, all the people who have parties near me all have great music taste!)

I’d never try to persuade somebody to agree with me though, because I understand that it is really intrusive and upsetting for some people. Noise and sound that comes from elsewhere can be like torture, I know.

The questions around £££, funding etc. are obviously vexed too.
I'd be up for it or tolerate it if residents had better access and money was clearly going to transparently good use.
It only adds to the community if it's free or very cheap, otherwise majority of the community are not there.
 
Well there was a craft beer section there. Amongst others we drank from were chaffinch, gypsy hill and canopy. - 2 of which have their brew rooms about 50m outside brockwell park.
So I guess they are local.
I assume it was their choice to be there although whether it helped them, or whether they lost on the deal is moot
 
I'd be up for it or tolerate it if residents had better access and money was clearly going to transparently good use.
It only adds to the community if it's free or very cheap, otherwise majority of the community are not there.

Not as counter to your point but to add my own perspective, music and the music scene is hugely important to me, and is a core reason why I stayed living in Brixton when things went tits up and I nearly had to move away. In some ways I compromised things like finances and ease of living in order to stay here, and being close to the Academy, the Hoot, the Windmill and other venues, and the fact that lots of bands practice at Brixton Hill Studios, all that was definitely a heavy factor on the stay-in-Brixton side of the scales.

Brixton is like the mother-lode when it comes to music. You hear all sorts of music just walking around, we have a strong independent radio scene here, we used to have loads of record shops and still have some really good ones. Live music in the street, people playing their tunes out of open windows and people gathering on the doorsteps to share it, cars that pour music out their windows as they go about. There’s a really good regular block party just over the road where I live, and over the back, on the estate, a Portuguese family often have fantastic music evenings with friends and family. Really impressive underground music being made on the estates. Whenever I’ve had a party and spoken with neighbours they’ve always been helpful and supportive, even bringing chairs around and sending their kids over to help, never complained, always say how good it is to hear people enjoying themselves. Loads of people in bands or who were in bands or aspiring to be in bands living here, with a really fertile cross-pollination thing going on. That’s just a brief outline of the music stuff we have here, there’s loads more I could say. For me, it’s a hugely important part of the community I choose to live in.

The festivals in the park are part of that whole picture. It feels good to me that folks come to Brixton for good music. I’m proud of that. Last year’s Wide Awake was one of the best festivals I’ve ever been to, partly because it was the first time we were all together after the pandemic, but largely because the bill was stuffed full of really excellent music. It was so exciting to be torn between several options of who to go see next! I think that’s in large part because people want to play in Brixton, and getting so many good interesting bands on the bill in turn enhances our reputation for producing good music.

I agree fully and totally that the financial issues should be dealt with better and that ticket allocation for locals should be more generous. But that’s capitalism, which infects everything anyway. And I’m not sure how the festival itself can be - or should be - more Brixton focussed. Once you're inside, you may as well be in Wales for all the connection it has to the outside world, and in many ways that’s a good thing. It’s a space removed from normal place, a time isolated from normal life. Festivals are like a side room from our normal life, where we can forget everything else and just enjoy what’s immediately there. The fact that loads of my own local friends are either on stage or in the crowd is an added pleasure of course, but tbh that happens to some extent at every festival I go to, because we tend to go to festivals that reflect our cultural community and loves, and our roots, whatever those may be.

Plus, one of the very best things about festivals is that you get to see bands you otherwise might never see or even know about. I feel really lucky that I can see Tropical Fuckstorm, Dream Wife and Primal Scream all in one afternoon, then wander home via the Windmill and pop in for late night indie karaoke and a nightcap before going home to my own bed, all by foot.

While I do see the drawbacks (for instance damage to the park, litter in the streets, blocked of roads as well as the ££ stuff) on balance, for me, it’s definitely worth it.
 
The thing is I love music too and have spent a good proportion of my life dedicated to it. I have chosen to live in Brixton for the past 20 years because I love the cultural mix and that very much includes music.
But yeah, lots of aspects about these festivals don't sit right with me. I don't want a local council who I don't trust making cash that I don't trust them to use wisely shutting down public spaces.
Festivals in the park should be free to residents, then I'll be proud.
 
Well there was a craft beer section there. Amongst others we drank from were chaffinch, gypsy hill and canopy. - 2 of which have their brew rooms about 50m outside brockwell park.
So I guess they are local.
I assume it was their choice to be there although whether it helped them, or whether they lost on the deal is moot

Signature Brewery sold out and I guess others did too .

Music wise the smallest stage was the best one and Special Interest knocked it out the park.
 
While I do see the drawbacks (for instance damage to the park, litter in the streets, blocked of roads as well as the ££ stuff) on balance, for me, it’s definitely worth it.
I hear everything you say and can't say you are wrong. I just come down the other way and on balance it is not worth it.

I enjoy festivals too (I have tickets to Across the Tracks next weekend). I just don't think it's justified to close such a chunk of the park for so long. Not just the festival days but the three weeks before and 2-3 weeks after. And then there's the damage which remains afterwards - worst if it's been wet. There was one in Victoria Park where the couldn't take the fencing down for something like 8 weeks afterwards because of waterlogging. I don't know how much you use Brockwell Park but for me it is an essential part of the Brixton tapestry. An unexpectedly amazing escape from the crazy mayhem that outsiders often see as the only face of Brixton. And it's just not the same when it's full of trucks and walls.

Yes I hate all the pissers - four caught pissing on my drive today. And I think the sound levels should be returned to 70dB rather than 75 outside homes (on Clapham common it is 70 for Wandsworth residents and 75 for Lambeth!). But ultimately a handful of festival days aren't the problem for me. If they could be airdropped in it would be ok.

But what REALLY bothers me is Lambeth identifying Brockwell as a commercial venue and the creep that comes with it as they squeeze more and more cash out of it. Last year they decided to take out any limits on the number of major event days (until then it was limited to eight days of 40,000 and that included the County Show and Fireworks). They claimed this was supported by residents but not one person I know was aware of the consultation which remarkably was carried out in the first weeks of the 2020 lockdown. This year they have been advertising for partners to run months worth of events in the park - something like 100 days of corporate Xmas events alone (I think this may now have been canned for this year).

Now they claim residents have given them a mandae for public space like Windrush Square to be commercialised as much as possible.

So yeah, on balance I'm afraid I'd rather not have any of these big commercial events and would gladly hop on a tube. Like you said, once you're in you could be anywhere anyway.
 
Signature Brewery sold out and I guess others did too .

Music wise the smallest stage was the best one and Special Interest knocked it out the park.
Yeah, they really did. Special Interest was my top act.
 
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I hear everything you say and can't say you are wrong. I just come down the other way and on balance it is not worth it.

I enjoy festivals too (I have tickets to Across the Tracks next weekend). I just don't think it's justified to close such a chunk of the park for so long. Not just the festival days but the three weeks before and 2-3 weeks after. And then there's the damage which remains afterwards - worst if it's been wet. There was one in Victoria Park where the couldn't take the fencing down for something like 8 weeks afterwards because of waterlogging. I don't know how much you use Brockwell Park but for me it is an essential part of the Brixton tapestry. An unexpectedly amazing escape from the crazy mayhem that outsiders often see as the only face of Brixton. And it's just not the same when it's full of trucks and walls.

Yes I hate all the pissers - four caught pissing on my drive today. And I think the sound levels should be returned to 70dB rather than 75 outside homes (on Clapham common it is 70 for Wandsworth residents and 75 for Lambeth!). But ultimately a handful of festival days aren't the problem for me. If they could be airdropped in it would be ok.

But what REALLY bothers me is Lambeth identifying Brockwell as a commercial venue and the creep that comes with it as they squeeze more and more cash out of it. Last year they decided to take out any limits on the number of major event days (until then it was limited to eight days of 40,000 and that included the County Show and Fireworks). They claimed this was supported by residents but not one person I know was aware of the consultation which remarkably was carried out in the first weeks of the 2020 lockdown. This year they have been advertising for partners to run months worth of events in the park - something like 100 days of corporate Xmas events alone (I think this may now have been canned for this year).

Now they claim residents have given them a mandae for public space like Windrush Square to be commercialised as much as possible.

So yeah, on balance I'm afraid I'd rather not have any of these big commercial events and would gladly hop on a tube. Like you said, once you're in you could be anywhere anyway.

It’s funny eh, cos I’m with you and nagapie on all the negatives and concerns, (I use the park a lot myself) and I also worry about mission creep, but for me, it’s worth the price.

The thing about it could be anywhere…. yeah, but it’s not anywhere, it’s right here, in my own back yard, and that’s actually a big plus point for me.

Horses for course I guess.
If everybodyblooked the same we’d get tired of looking at each other.
etc.
 
I hear everything you say and can't say you are wrong. I just come down the other way and on balance it is not worth it.

I enjoy festivals too (I have tickets to Across the Tracks next weekend). I just don't think it's justified to close such a chunk of the park for so long. Not just the festival days but the three weeks before and 2-3 weeks after. And then there's the damage which remains afterwards - worst if it's been wet. There was one in Victoria Park where the couldn't take the fencing down for something like 8 weeks afterwards because of waterlogging. I don't know how much you use Brockwell Park but for me it is an essential part of the Brixton tapestry. An unexpectedly amazing escape from the crazy mayhem that outsiders often see as the only face of Brixton. And it's just not the same when it's full of trucks and walls.

Yes I hate all the pissers - four caught pissing on my drive today. And I think the sound levels should be returned to 70dB rather than 75 outside homes (on Clapham common it is 70 for Wandsworth residents and 75 for Lambeth!). But ultimately a handful of festival days aren't the problem for me. If they could be airdropped in it would be ok.

But what REALLY bothers me is Lambeth identifying Brockwell as a commercial venue and the creep that comes with it as they squeeze more and more cash out of it. Last year they decided to take out any limits on the number of major event days (until then it was limited to eight days of 40,000 and that included the County Show and Fireworks). They claimed this was supported by residents but not one person I know was aware of the consultation which remarkably was carried out in the first weeks of the 2020 lockdown. This year they have been advertising for partners to run months worth of events in the park - something like 100 days of corporate Xmas events alone (I think this may now have been canned for this year).

Now they claim residents have given them a mandae for public space like Windrush Square to be commercialised as much as possible.

So yeah, on balance I'm afraid I'd rather not have any of these big commercial events and would gladly hop on a tube. Like you said, once you're in you could be anywhere anyway.
I have mixed feelings too.

The music culture in Brixton is part of the reason it's been my home for 20 years, and I don't mind big events in the park either - London has wonderful spaces for putting on really joyous communal gatherings, and Brockwell is definitely one of them. But it's a great shame that everything these days - whether free or paid - seems to require weeks of disruption and huge amounts of infrastructure.

On the plus side, the event management on these weekends is now pretty slick. We live 100m from one of the main park gates, but the crowds are all so well-managed through the designated entrances that any impact from festival visitors is negligible. But there's no escaping the sound at our place as the terrain means that there are no buildings between the main stages and our front windows. My neighbours and I all applied for residents' tickets to Wide Awake and/or City Splash but none of us was successful. So while parts of it were great - sitting on the doorstep listening to Primal Scream and Barrington Levy among them - we didn't want to pay £80 each for something we'd have to drop in and out of while trying to settle a couple of young kids who couldn't get to sleep.

I don't think these events should stop by any means, but a more holistic assessment of their impact during the set-up and takedown periods and a more generous approach to entry for local residents would be no bad thing.
 
new computer technology allows for moving speakers millilitres up down left right to create a phasing effect that reduces spill but sounds full fat in a desired zone - very clever stuff and a possible saviour for outdoor events in the UK...i wonder if this was what the difference is?
Hmm. I seem to remember a claim like that being made for Glastonbury in about 2007? (I think the killers were headlining). Was meant to be less affected by the wind and have less audio spillage. But the wind actually killed the volume level completely and they never used it again.

I could hear Primal Scream over by Cressingham Gardens clearer than I can remember hearing any other gig in the park so maybe it was just the wind.
 
Hmm. I seem to remember a claim like that being made for Glastonbury in about 2007? (I think the killers were headlining). Was meant to be less affected by the wind and have less audio spillage. But the wind actually killed the volume level completely and they never used it again.
I'll admit that my memory is probably more than half imagined but I was at that and only remember it being utterly brilliant. One of my favourite ever gigs. But I am no connoisseur ...
 
Also, is it correct to assume that after this coming weekend, they'll take down all the fencing, only to put it up again for the Country Show?
 
I'll admit that my memory is probably more than half imagined but I was at that and only remember it being utterly brilliant. One of my favourite ever gigs. But I am no connoisseur ...
I could easily have both the year and the band wrong, but I’ve a vague memory of how the speakers looked….
 
I'll admit that my memory is probably more than half imagined but I was at that and only remember it being utterly brilliant. One of my favourite ever gigs. But I am no connoisseur ...
Ah - here it is - https://www.funktion-one.com/dl/files/365.pdf

"So the sudden attenuation of Funktion One's
R esolution 5-based point source clusters on the
S aturday evening of the festival was not, in fact,
a technical fault. It appears instead that unusual atmospheric conditions created highly claustrophobic acoustics over the site, urging Capita Symonds officials to issue instructions to reduce levels. The drop in volume was, therefore, a deliberate - if reluctant - adjustment in order to comply. There was no technical inadequacy at all."

Though they've used Line Array speakers there ever since as far as I can tell
RG Jones deploys Martin Audio PA’s across seven stages at Glastonbury - Audio Media International
 
Ah - here it is - https://www.funktion-one.com/dl/files/365.pdf

"So the sudden attenuation of Funktion One's
R esolution 5-based point source clusters on the
S aturday evening of the festival was not, in fact,
a technical fault. It appears instead that unusual atmospheric conditions created highly claustrophobic acoustics over the site, urging Capita Symonds officials to issue instructions to reduce levels. The drop in volume was, therefore, a deliberate - if reluctant - adjustment in order to comply. There was no technical inadequacy at all."

Though they've used Line Array speakers there ever since as far as I can tell
RG Jones deploys Martin Audio PA’s across seven stages at Glastonbury - Audio Media International
well its the line arrays that you can tweak to create noise cancelation phase (not the correct term!) - they all have little motors on them to micro move them - iirc though the technology has changed further more recently than 2008 (my mate works for RG jones, it was him who was telling me about it)
 
Did anyone go to Brockwell Bounce yesterday? Heading down this afternoon and wondering what to expect.
Poor review from my lot. It was an hour late opening, with lots of expectant families queueing outside, then very little actually going on once they got in. Only about 3 tents had any kind of activity and all the F&B and shops were shut. Then the heavens opened and lots of folk scarpered for home.

It may have got better later in the day, I guess. They're going to give it a second chance tomorrow afternoon.
 
Poor review from my lot. It was an hour late opening, with lots of expectant families queueing outside, then very little actually going on once they got in. Only about 3 tents had any kind of activity and all the F&B and shops were shut. Then the heavens opened and lots of folk scarpered for home.

It may have got better later in the day, I guess. They're going to give it a second chance tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks - kind of what I’m worried about.
 
Ah - here it is - https://www.funktion-one.com/dl/files/365.pdf

"So the sudden attenuation of Funktion One's
R esolution 5-based point source clusters on the
S aturday evening of the festival was not, in fact,
a technical fault. It appears instead that unusual atmospheric conditions created highly claustrophobic acoustics over the site, urging Capita Symonds officials to issue instructions to reduce levels. The drop in volume was, therefore, a deliberate - if reluctant - adjustment in order to comply. There was no technical inadequacy at all."

Though they've used Line Array speakers there ever since as far as I can tell
RG Jones deploys Martin Audio PA’s across seven stages at Glastonbury - Audio Media International
Despite the sudden attenuation of Funktion One's Resolution 5-based point source clusters on the Saturday evening it was a superb place to be. Right friends, right place, right band, right :) for the right moment. Hard to put a finger on exactly why everything sometimes just aligns ...

But I will add a note on volume levels to my memory bank and no doubt in ten years time I will recount a tale of an underwhelming event on account of unusual atmospheric conditions created by highly claustrophobic acoustics over the site. :D
 
Thought Brockwell Bounce was pretty good this afternoon (except the rain) fair number of food outlets open and all in the same spot, as well as all the breweries. Fair amount of stuff going on for all ages of kids.

Going on Thursday when looks like the weather should be better!
 
Thought Brockwell Bounce was pretty good this afternoon (except the rain) fair number of food outlets open and all in the same spot, as well as all the breweries. Fair amount of stuff going on for all ages of kids.

Going on Thursday when looks like the weather should be better!
I'll be DJing the main stage tomorrow from 4.45pm for a Bowie set.
I'll bring a brolly.
 
Lambeth are a rubbish and deceitful council. I live directly opposite the park and can see the impact that these events have firsthand. I'm not against one or two events per year but just before the pandemic, Lambeth had intended to put on something around nine of these events between April and October. I signed a petition against it. The loss of usage and impact on the park was far too great - not to mention the inconvenience to those of us living on the park's doorstep or nearby vicinity. I know one of the vendors that are trading there this year and they say that Lambeth's hand is deep in their trouser pocket for every item that they sell - they take a hefty cut.

As for the Country Show, if memory serves, we were first told that the wall erected around the site was to protect us from terrorism and other dangers. They're having a bubble. Everything sold is being controlled and they are skimming off it much like the mafia. Any terrorist worth their salt can get into the Country Show and you are all fish in a barrel. It's nonsense. Good luck with "transparency".

Overall, as I've said, I'm not against one or two large-scale events it's just that Lambeth sees it as a money printer. And before I forget, we have year-round local businesses who pay their rates to Lambeth year upon year and at Christmas time they sell x-mas trees to supplement their takings. And how are they rewarded? Lambeth rents a sizable chunk next to the main entrance to an outside firm that creams off profits from our local traders. Plus the money no longer stays in our local community. There's a lot that needs to be reformed and overhauled here in my opinion. Kick it in the dirt or praise it...
 
Hate to tell you but signing a petition is the equivalent of tutting loudly. Shows like this years keep the country show free for the community (and hopefully fireworks too). They pay for parks to stay open. Can it be annoying for local residents, yes but imo it’s worth it.
 
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