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Met being put in special measures

So yeah ACAB obviously: There is no need for a police service, without one a network of workers community circles would spontaneously resolve all issues by debate and discussion ...Whilst we are waiting.

A long time coming. It's 25% of all UK police - even with losing the national CT role. Most commentators would say it's far too big, but how an earth you would divide up the Great Wen god only knows.

I wonder who they parachute in and where. It's not like the other big metropolitan forces have covered themselves with glory recently. Police Scotland are only just dragging themselves out of the sigma change drop of the amalgamation.

If a load of county mounty superintendents and NPCC turn up, without significant, backing for cultural change, organisational change which means resources, they are going to have a mountain to climb.

There hasn't been a Royal Commission into policing for a life time - and the last one was fudged leaving us with the mish-mash of metropolitans, regional and small county forces. No chief or home secretary has wanted to give up their power to one and so we have had decades of tinkering around the edges. I think the Federation and Supers' association still have the call for a RC as policy, not sure about Unison.

Any sane and rationale government would take this decision as the jumping of point for a full in depth review of policing, and wider community safety, violence reduction, mental ill health intervention and other responses across GB.

So expect a couple of shit headline grabbing proposals made up by a 25 year old Tory policy wonk who has never been outside the Home Counties...

It's a mess across the UK. Especially as in many places old bill are the last remaining part of the state that actually still makes interventions in any meaningful way. Just pity rozzers get almost no training in 75% of what they do now...
 
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Strip searching children, a rape culture and homophobia means it’s finally been recognised that it’s not fit for purpose as we know.
Not to mention the overeager use of restraint methods, the inability to review electronic data most notably in rape cases and institutionalised misogyny going back decades, the met is long overdue for a radical overhaul.
 
So yeah ACAB obviously: There is no need for a police service, without one a network of workers community circles would spontaneously resolve all issues by debate and discussion ...Whilst we are waiting.

A long time coming. It's 25% of all UK police - even with losing the national CT role. Most commentators would say it's far too big, but how an earth you would divide up the Great Wen god only knows.

I wonder who they parachute in and where. It's not like the other big metropolitan forces have covered themselves with glory recently. Police Scotland are only just dragging themselves out of the sigma change drop of the amalgamation.

If a load of county mounty superintendents and NPCC turn up, without significant, backing for cultural change, organisational change which means resources, they are going to have a mountain to climb.

There hasn't been a Royal Commission into policing for a life time - and the last one was fudged leaving us with the mish-mash of metropolitans, regional and small county forces. No chief or home secretary has wanted to give up their power to one and so we have had decades of tinkering around the edges. I think the Federation and Supers' association still have the call for a RC as policy, not sure about Unison.

Any sane and rationale government would take this decision as the jumping of point for a full in depth review of policing, and wider community safety, violence reduction, mental ill health intervention and other responses across GB.

So expect a couple of shit headline grabbing proposals made up by a 25 year old Tory policy wonk who has never been outside the Home Counties...

It's a mess across the UK. Especially as in many places old bill are the last remaining part of the state that actually still makes interventions in any meaningful way. Just pity rozzers get almost no training in 75% of what they do now...
When you say making interventions in a meaningful way it's worth remembering Brendan Behan's memorable line that he could not imagine a situation so miserable that the arrival of a cop couldn't make it worse. They protect nonces, from Savile to Rotherham and beyond. They refuse to investigate vast swathes of crime, or do so in such a way as to effectually protect the criminal and failing the victim. There's never one about when you want them but always several when it's inopportune. So so often their meaningful intervention is to fail the victim of crime and to arrest and prosecute protesters, not good either way
 
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Is time the the met police was broken up as it is far too big for the capital now?
One theory I heard a while back was that the Met could be redrawn/reconfigured as a London-only police force with the "state" duties (protection, Government, the like) be transferred to the National Crime Agency o'r whatever it's called this week.
 
Having stated as recently as March 2022 that the Metropolitan Police's approach to corruption is not fit for purpose, Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire and Rescue Services has now placed the institutionally racist, institutionally corrupt Metropolitan Police into special measures followed the uncovering of a litany of new “systemic” failings in fighting crime and serving victims, which include nearly 70,000 crimes going unrecorded and making errors on stop and search with the grounds for one quarter of stops not recorded, in addition to a number of highly publicised cases of misconduct and abuse of powers:

Why The Metropolitan Police Is In 'Special Measures', And What It Means

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Also generally policing has roles in areas - I'm thinking particularly mental health, but dealing with drug misuse, etc - where properly resourced non police services should be involved and policing is at best inappropriate, at worst actively harmful.
 
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Also generally policing has roles in areas - I'm thinking particularly mental health, but dealing with drug misuse, etc - where properly resourced non police services should be involved and policing is at best inappropriate, at worst actively harmful.


This^^^

Fund mental health services properly. Fund youth services properly ( or even at all). Fund education properly ( and rid it of the ingrained and institutional covering up of nonces). Fund elderly care properly. Either decriminalise drugs and / or fund drugs outreach workers. Bring back caretakers in flats and park keepers in parks. Fund the ambulance service so they aren’t on their absolute knees all the time. Stop the filleting of the full time fire service.

And then maybe the 20% cut in rozzers since May was Home Secretary might have been anything other than a disaster.

You can’t really do much about the Met within the existing policing framework. It would be a nonsense to say have two or three mini-Mets.

It needs a full review- Royal Commission really. The French model kind of works with National procurement for IT and other kit and local delivery. But they have the Gendarmerie to fill in the rural bits and the Paris Police attitudes and delivery in relation to race makes the Met look like a Woodcraft group with hats.

So after funding all the other services that should fix probably 30% of what untrained cops are currently doing quite badly what then:

A wish list: National IT comms and vehicle procurement. A return to the NPIA doctrine development model, a widened role for the NCS in terms of serous and organised, structuring more like the CT network- but bigger. Regional forces to deliver protective services and back office ( firearms, roads policing control rooms - collaborated with fire while we are at it, HR Training, Finance.) All with an elected body to oversee then.

Local policing delivered at no larger than borough / unitary authority level with an elected PCC or equivalent for each and every local force.

That could overlay on London. But would require a relinquishing of central control and loads of money. So don’t hold your breath.
 
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I always thought that it's weird that the City of London police force exists for such a tiny area, then the Met has such a big area.
 
I always thought that it's weird that the City of London police force exists for such a tiny area, then the Met has such a big area.
Even if we had a national police force there would still be the national police force AND City of London police, thanks to the Corporation.

TBF Their fraud squad (or whatever it is called this week) is effectively the national fraud squad (and works very closely with the SFO) and is probably the only one with the capability and capacity to deal with some of the complex international stuff

Otherwise they just stand about really. On a weekday there are getting on for half a million people in the city. At night it goes down to less than 10,000, basically the Barbican and one medium sized social housing estate.
 
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This^^^

Fund mental health services properly. Fund youth services properly ( or even at all). Fund education properly ( and rid it of the ingrained and institutional covering up of nonces). Fund elderly care properly. Either decriminalise drugs and / or fund drugs outreach workers. Bring back caretakers in flats and park keepers in parks. Fund the ambulance service so they aren’t on their absolute knees all the time. Stop the filleting of the full time fire service.

And then maybe the 20% cut in rozzers since May was Hone Secretary might have been anything other than a disaster.

You can’t really do much about the Met within the existing policing framework. It would be a nonsense to say have two or three mini-Mets.

It needs a full review- Royal Commission really. The French model kind of works with National procurement for IT and other kit and local delivery. But they have the Gendarmerie to fill in the rural bits and the Paris Police attitudes and delivery in relation to race makes the Met look like a Woodcraft group with hats.

So after funding all the other services that should fix probably 30% of what untrained cops are currently doing quite badly what then:

A wish list: National IT comms and vehicle procurement. A return to the NPIA doctrine development model, a widened role for the NCS in terms of serous and organised, structuring more like the CT network- but bigger. Regional forces to deliver protective services and back office ( firearms, roads policing control rooms - collaborated with fire while we are at it, HR Training, Finance.) All with an elected body to oversee then.

Local policing delivered at no larger than borough / unitary authority level with an elected PCC or equivalent for each and every local force.

That could overlay on London. But would require a relinquishing of central control and loads of money. So don’t hold your breath.

Zero chance of a Royal Commission, and scarcely any more chance of any kind of independent look at what is going wrong, why and how to fix it. They'll just airbrush pre-2016 out of the picture totally and edit post-2016 into some fiction that the current Mayor is to blame for everything, even the Avengers destroying Hendon. Sadly of course only an independent and competent review is ever going to come up with sensible proposals, and even if that did happen it then has to encounter this government (who would no doubt strip all sense out of such a review).

I do think national procurement of some things (IT, especially command and control and crime reporting systems) would be a terrible idea - at least with the current system there is less chance the entire country is harmed by idiots ordering the wrong thing (and then going to work for the company involved); if you make that a national decision you almost guarantee that will happen.

Finally, I think if the last 12 years have proved anything its that elected bodies or elected individuals in oversight roles has not resulted in an improvement, if anything the opposite is true. A better idea IMHO would be to empanel juries to do oversight, which would guarantee independence and remove the biggest problem with PCCs (as in that they have to prevent scandals coming out in the forces they run in order to get reelected, which is different to preventing scandals coming about).
 
Sadly I don't think you are wrong on the Royal Commission. It would deliver a reflective evidenced based proposal to develop a rational system form the next quarter of a century. So absolute;y no chance the current shower in government would go anywhere near it.

The benefit of national procurement is you could use people who actually know about procurement rather than some senior cop who's never done it before and gets turned over. Also national systems would be big enough that forces wouldn't go to the smaller cowboys who build a system, cant't make it scale and then say "well we've had the £6M we quoted, but if you want it to work we need another £2M or we go bust and you are left with a load of useless code... An example is the difference between (to pick a project at random...) Athena (everything but command and control) in the Eastern region which years after delivery still doesn't really work, compared to the national intelligence system - where instead of building something new the procurement team looked at five or six systems in use round the world and then said "We'll have that one". A bit like how any sane organisation does procurement.

I'd be up for citizen juries if any government took them seriously. They'd have to be random though otherwise you'd either just get local politicians badge collecting or the usual suspects who always crop up on Independent Advisory Groups and as 'community leaders'... Whilst we are about it that's how the house of lords should be populated...

Anyway, I thought it was Godzilla that took out Hendon.
 
We’re paying for the cunts yet they serve the interests of those self-enriching themselves where as our interests are eyed with suspicion or outright hostility.
How the fuck does that work?
 
Otherwise they just stand about really. On a weekday there are getting on for half a million people in the city. At night it goes down to less than 10,000, basically the Barbican and one medium sized social housing estate.
Though they do need to deal with all the pissed/coked up City twats so swings and roundabouts really.🤷‍♀️
 
It’s a bizarre contradiction that we pay the state to employ a force that protects the state from us.

Not at all bizarre, I’d say ubiquitous. Name a country where it doesn’t work like that.

Wrong, one could argue. But bizarre suggests you haven’t been paying attention.

( BTW, how are you going to stop your revolution being overturned or taken over by your local coke dealers, without a group of people who’s full time job is to pay attention to that which all should?) Asking for a friend.
 
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Not at all bizarre, I’d say ubiquitous. Name a country where it doesn’t work like that.

Wrong, one Could argue. But bizarre suggests you haven’t been paying attention.

( BTW, how are you going to stop your revolution being overturned or taken over by your local coke dealers, without a group of people who’s full time job is to pay attention to that which all should?) Asking for a friend.

I’m not as anti-police as I used to be. Some of their functions are much needed and people do rely on and are helped by them.
But ultimately they don’t serve us. And we pay for them.
 
I’m not as anti-police as I used to be. Some of their functions are much needed and people do rely on and are helped by them.
But ultimately they don’t serve us. And we pay for them.

They do serve you a bit. The state doesn’t need downstream protection that often. ( or even upstream TBF).

It’s just they don’t do it that well, and it’s getting worse , and will continue to do so.
 
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