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Mercury amalgam fillings - a poisoning of generations

Jazzz said:
And that is the way it is with amalgams. Either they are dangerous, or they aren't. If they are dangerous, then they have absolutely no business being introduced to the human body.
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It's not quite as black and white as that due to complex bio-chemistry.

Some people are allergic to penicillin. Should penicillin be banned from use?
 
WouldBe said:
It's not quite as black and white as that due to complex bio-chemistry.

Some people are allergic to penicillin. Should penicillin be banned from use?
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Good point about allergies. If you are allergic to penicillin, you will find out about it the first time you try it, it will be an acute reaction, and you'll never have it again. With luck you will make a full recovery. However with amalgams one might be allergic to silver, mercury, tin, copper or zinc, all of which feature, and they will just sit there antagonising your body insidiously.

Until they are out! :)

But to get to your question, yes I accept it's a question of degree, however safer alternatives exist so there can really be no argument for mercury fillings even if one doesn't realise quite how dangerous they are - I would rather a tooth was pulled than have mercury reintroduced.
 
madzone said:
So, is all that enough to dismiss out of hand that some people can suffer serious health effects from having amalgam fillings?
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Here seems to be the crux. It is extremely easy to see whether someone is feeling bad. There is a very easy test, you ask the person "Do you feel bad?". If they say yes then that means they feel bad.

However, to attribute their bad feeling to fillings is a lot more difficult, and cannot ever be done by anecdotal evidence.
 
axon said:
Here seems to be the crux. It is extremely easy to see whether someone is feeling bad.
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As one of the researchers who just published a paper on "electromagnetic hypersensitivity" says:

The team say that while this study provides more evidence against the idea that mobile phone masts cause EHS, there is no doubt that the symptoms themselves are real. "It's time to look at what's really causing the problems, because these people are quite ill," says [Elaine] Fox.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/dn12348-no-evidence-for-cellphone-mast-illness.html
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(That was the one where people who claimed to be specially sensitive to radiation from a phone mast couldn't tell whether it was switched on or not, above wild-guess chance levels.)

There are people suffering. But from what?
 
Some form of metabolic lee-see-un. (lesion)

Like Cytochrome C inhibition leading to failure of oxidative phosphorylation in cases of Zyklon 'B' poisoning. (Death)

But 'lesion' is less likely to invite insurance claims for emotional trauma from the relatives. And it's shorter.

Thought having yer mercury out was supposed to be worse than letting sleeping dogs lie? (injury to gums lets more Hg into blood)

Only know two people who had it done. Both were self obsessed neurotic depressive cunts before, and they both still are.

Buggered if I'll spend the money to end up the same as I already am.
 
Jazzz said:
Good point about allergies. If you are allergic to penicillin, you will find out about it the first time you try it, it will be an acute reaction, and you'll never have it again. With luck you will make a full recovery. However with amalgams one might be allergic to silver, mercury, tin, copper or zinc, all of which feature, and they will just sit there antagonising your body insidiously.

Until they are out! :)

But to get to your question, yes I accept it's a question of degree, however safer alternatives exist so there can really be no argument for mercury fillings even if one doesn't realise quite how dangerous they are - I would rather a tooth was pulled than have mercury reintroduced.
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How do you know you're not going to be allergic to white fillings which will sit there antagonising your body insidiously?
 
Jazzz said:
Biolab Medical Unit
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Laughing all the way to the bank with the money they make from anxious hypochondriacs.

I assume they are saving their money for a one way trip to the Bahamas (with a 'so long suckers' over their shoulder as they go), they sure as hell haven't spent any money on their website which has to rank as one of the shittest I've seen this year.
 
axon said:
However, to attribute their bad feeling to fillings is a lot more difficult, and cannot ever be done by anecdotal evidence.
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I agree up to a point but surely that's the same for lots of other situations?

Other allergies/intolerances for example? And just because we don't yet have the mechanisms to test the safety of mercury amalgam does it mean we should continue to use it willy nilly?
 
laptop said:
As one of the researchers who just published a paper on "electromagnetic hypersensitivity" says:



(That was the one where people who claimed to be specially sensitive to radiation from a phone mast couldn't tell whether it was switched on or not, above wild-guess chance levels.)

There are people suffering. But from what?
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You seem to be suggesting that it's hypochondria - or am I being over sensitive?
 
Calva dosser said:
Thought having yer mercury out was supposed to be worse than letting sleeping dogs lie? (injury to gums lets more Hg into blood)
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I've pointed out several times that the way my fillings were removed meant that very little mercury or vapour found it's way back in. You're also given antioxidant and chelation agent therapy afterwards.
 
madzone said:
I've pointed out several times that the way my fillings were removed meant that very little mercury or vapour found it's way back in. You're also given antioxidant and chelation agent therapy afterwards.
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Still a stroppy old bag though;) :p
 
longdog said:
Laughing all the way to the bank with the money they make from anxious hypochondriacs.

I assume they are saving their money for a one way trip to the Bahamas (with a 'so long suckers' over their shoulder as they go), they sure as hell haven't spent any money on their website which has to rank as one of the shittest I've seen this year.
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er, this is the list of papers published by their researchers. :rolleyes:

Biolab is a cutting edge research unit. To be honest, I'm not too bothered if their website isn't too fancy, but judge as you see fit.
 
longdog said:
How do you know you're not going to be allergic to white fillings which will sit there antagonising your body insidiously?
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This is a good question longdog. It is indeed important to make sure that any material put in your body is as biocompatible as possible. A good mercury-free dentist will be able to properly inform you and test as necessary.
 
Jazzz said:
This is a good question longdog. It is indeed important to make sure that any material put in your body is as biocompatible as possible. A good mercury-free dentist will be able to properly inform you and test as necessary.
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Indeed :) The only one I was absolutely ok with was imported from the US. It's called Charisma.

I have a mouth full of Charisma :D
 
Hey did you know eating sharks can also give you mercury poisoning? You want to watch out for them too :)

Fucking mine of information me :)
 
I think i read somewhere that Japanese(?) people have actually been admitted for mercury poisoning after eating large quantities of tilefish.
 
Yep, there were four major industry related illnesses in Japan around the 60s / 70s, three of them were because of mercury pollution in the sea which got into the food chain.

There's a bit of info on wikipedia if you have a look. The death toll was fairly substantial from at least one of them but i can't remember details off the top of my head, including names, sorry.
 
You can die of cyanide poisoning (Cytochrome 'C' inhibition to Madzone;) )

From eating Greenland shark.

But not if you leave it to fester for 3 months in hot volcanic sand.

You just can't get the 'mines of information' around here.

Camborne, Redruth, Bodmin, Launceston, follow me down cousin Jack:)
 
Bob_the_lost said:
Yep, there were four major industry related illnesses in Japan around the 60s / 70s, three of them were because of mercury pollution in the sea which got into the food chain.

There's a bit of info on wikipedia if you have a look. The death toll was fairly substantial from at least one of them but i can't remember details off the top of my head, including names, sorry.
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Minamata disease

1784 recognized deaths
 
axon said:
<Clips Jazzz round the ear>
Now go through them and and come back with how many are a) peer-reviewed, and b) about affects on health due to mercury from amalgalms.
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tell you what - why don't you say which sections you doubt, we can discuss them. :rolleyes:
 
.... its a great shame that so many people are willing to laugh off Jazzz's viewpoint of mercury poisoning so easily .

It was also a great shame in the 60s / 70s that most the people around the Motoring Brake & Clutch Relining Industry were laughing off the dangers of asbestos and that only "certain colours" of asbestos were a health hazard .
Those that were worried it just may be causing health problems were also scoffed at all be it not in a forum.
Most of the sceptism back then just delayed the inevitable ban / safety improvements when handling dangerous materials thus causing more suffering , "trolling" people here about this issue reminds me of that very sad time and people in my opinion need to keep an open mind on such issues.

Its also a shame that a great many I worked around and knew all passed away at an early age from cancers that started within the lung walls , how convienient for the governments involved that some were also smokers and how amazing that just as a cheap / decent useable replacement was found asbestos became outlawed.
It is now KNOWN that ALL asbestos is unsafe , something that workers along with the establishment used to laugh about in the canteen whilst coughing over thier doughnuts.

I have also since the 70s dealt in Mercury procedures within a factory and just because you do not suffer now to believe that Mercury in the mouth in ANY quantity is a good idea is absolute madness and naive , anyone that has seen the effects of mercury poisoning within a factory enviroment would never want to put that stuff in thier mouth ever again.
No matter how small the quantity to fill any gap in your body with the most poison material known to man just because its hard and may be stable when correctly mixed with other metals , cannot be a very wise idea..

Just as some people showed signs of asbestos infections early on and others got them later in life , Mercury also has a more immediate effect in some , in others it may show up later as MS type / immune system problems .
Not wishing to sound patronising but if we all suffered the same reactions to materials then we would all cough and splutter at the first breath of pollen , I dont find it helpful to laugh at Hay Fever sufferers just because I dont suffer from a reaction or consider that it must just be some sort of "mania" .

It is for a very good reason that other countries have now outlawed the use of Mercury fillings and it is with great shame that once again as with the sham with asbestos we will probably not follow till its far too late.

Only my opinion and I dont make a habit of posting in any forums to matters of this kind due to ridicule but it really is crazy to discount Jazz's idea of Mercury as an unsafe material for dental treatment .

Im sure that my low post count will also make my post unworthy to some me being somewhat a noob :D

Ill go back to posting silly pictures now
 
I have mercury fillings and I wish I didn't have them... They're poisonous... wanna try a little experiment... have your mercury fillings removed and experience a withdrawal that's 10X worse than going cold turkey. Mercury is poison and it's one of the worst.
 
Fuck me not only are their threads that tell me to get a tin foil hat now there are threads telling me to get a tinfoil gum sheild. :rolleyes:
 
Jazzz said:
tell you what - why don't you say which sections you doubt, we can discuss them. :rolleyes:
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No, wont!
It's just with a situation like mercury fillings you can probably find (I'm guessing but it does seem like a lot of papers are out there) decent research on the effects. So it belittles your cause when you go into hyperbole-mode and state things that are clearly not true, such as "500 peer-reviewd papers".
 
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