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Mercury amalgam fillings - a poisoning of generations

Weller said:
.... its a great shame that so many people are willing to laugh off Jazzz's viewpoint of mercury poisoning so easily .
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Now here is the gospel according to the conspiraloons.

They are not fillings they are advanced lizard technology sold by Israeli companies for the sole purpose of mind control and the abovementioned lizard tech lies dormant until they are activated by vaccines. The effect of said lizard tech will be that you refuse to believe anything you read in Prison Planet and you will lose the ability to see the invisible control pods underneath the plane that hit the Pentagon on 11/09/2001. The mind controlling dental appliances also prevent the wearer from detecting the effects on the atmosphere by the HAARP project most notably not being able to smell the chemtrails nor the extra sun created by the visitors from the planet moron.'


I would write more but MI5 might find me and I've got to cover my keyboard with tinfoil.




<Phew I think I've got most of the conspiraloon subjects into theabove paragraph>
 
Bob_the_lost said:
If you want to know why then check his previously posted threads.
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Maybe once you realise that the masses can be duped and the establishment corrupted you'll pay more attention to the rest of my posts.
 
Jazzz said:
Maybe once you realise that the masses can be duped and the establishment corrupted you'll pay more attention to the rest of my posts.
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Like pentawater? I think you'll find that i do pay attention to your posts, and manage to point out just how stupid most of them are. This thread may be an exception, the jury is still out.
 
axon said:
No, wont!
It's just with a situation like mercury fillings you can probably find (I'm guessing but it does seem like a lot of papers are out there) decent research on the effects. So it belittles your cause when you go into hyperbole-mode and state things that are clearly not true, such as "500 peer-reviewd papers".
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Well it would seem a load of them were referenced in that piece, wouldn't it?

Of course the thread has been wide open for people to show evidence of amalgam safety, no-one's put any forward... what can you conclude from that?
 
Bob_the_lost said:
Like pentawater? I think you'll find that i do pay attention to your posts, and manage to point out just how stupid most of them are. This thread may be an exception, the jury is still out.
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Oh come off it. In my first post about that I said I'd tried some (at a yoga class) and perceived a benefit which I said could have been just placebo.

You really don't have much to say here BTL.

Why is the jury out here? No-one's put a case for the defence!
 
Jazzz said:
Of course the thread has been wide open for people to show evidence of amalgam safety, no-one's put any forward... what can you conclude from that?
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People have shown you huge amounts of evidence to disprove your bonkers 9/11 theories and you ignored the lot, so maybe nobody can be arsed any more.

The fact is you could start a thread saying "2 + 2 = 4 - THE PROOF!!!!!!" and I think most people here would think it was bullshit.
 
Jazzz said:
Oh come off it. In my first post about that I said I'd tried some (at a yoga class) and perceived a benefit which I said could have been just placebo.
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You then tried to defend the indefensible and snuck out when the evidence mounted that you didn't know what the fuck you were on about. How about a link so those that don't know the back story can see for themselves?
 
I propose a far simpler explanation bees.

The reason that no-one has produced evidence of amalgam safety on this thread is because there is no such good evidence.
 
Jazzz said:
I propose a far simpler explanation bees.

The reason that no-one has produced evidence of amalgam safety on this thread is because there is no such good evidence.
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It's impossible to prove a negative.
 
Jazzz said:
I propose a far simpler explanation bees.

The reason that no-one has produced evidence of amalgam safety on this thread is because there is no such good evidence.
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Other than the rather simple fact that millions of people have had them over the years and reported no ill effects?

Or, once again, do you and your merry band of "truth seekers" know best?
 
Jazzz said:
Oh come off it. In my first post about that I said I'd tried some (at a yoga class) and perceived a benefit which I said could have been just placebo.

You really don't have much to say here BTL.

Why is the jury out here? No-one's put a case for the defence!
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Aye, but then you bought some Pentawater for yourself and saw fit to report on your experience to folks on this here board, suggesting that it was too pure in some way and was affecting you negatively. That doesn't sound like you discounted it too quickly as a placebo, no matter how much you try and revise history.

Still, this thread's a different kettle of barking fish. Nobody's denying that mercury can be potentially harmful, nor that there may be some conceivable risk in amalgam fillings - even dentists would admit that. However it's the degree of risk which most people find uncompelling - millions and millions have had amalgam fillings for generations, the vast majority without suffering obvious side effects.

You on the other hand seem to see fillings as one of the most pressing problems facing humankind today - advising folks to have their fillings changed even if they exhibit no problems and generally sounding like an alarmist twazzock without a sense of perspective. You also don't do your case any favours by linking to 'research' that's so badly biased and put together that it's laughable. And then the whole ridiculous conspiracy angle that you put onto everything, alleging that the 'medical establishment' are coverign things up. Hmmm..

In the wider scheme of things I suspect that most people are blissfully unbothered, unaffected and unconcerned about their amalgam fillings. There's a risk involved with them for sure, but to most it's not a huge deal to balance out against the perils of modern living.
 
Jazzz said:
Well it would seem a load of them were referenced in that piece, wouldn't it?
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So do you really expect people to search through that very long article and the 500 references for the ones that are relevent to the subject???


Jazzz said:
Of course the thread has been wide open for people to show evidence of amalgam safety, no-one's put any forward... what can you conclude from that?
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Well I would conclude that it's because people can't be arsed. I know that's my reason. Do you conclude it's because there is no evidence of safety?
 
axon said:
So do you really expect people to search through that very long article and the 500 references for the ones that are relevent to the subject???
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No. I expect them to note that it is carefully researched. If they want to check up statements in full, they may do so.

axon said:
Well I would conclude that it's because people can't be arsed. I know that's my reason. Do you conclude it's because there is no evidence of safety?
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Yes.

Do correct me...
 
After 2 minutes on PubMed,
The amalgam controversy. An evidence-based analysis. J Am Dent Assoc. 2001 Mar;132(3):348-56.

article said:
BACKGROUND: There are a number of patients and health care professionals who believe dental amalgam restorations are a factor in a host of diseases and conditions. They have been influenced by anecdotal case reports in the medical and dental literature, research published in the refereed literature and media stories concerning the alleged dangers of amalgam restorations. METHODS: The author uses an evidence-based approach in analyzing the data both supporting and condemning the continued use of amalgam restorations. He reviewed the articles from both peer-reviewed and non-peer-reviewed sources and evaluated their relevance, research design and statistical analysis, as well as whether the conclusions follow from the data. CONCLUSIONS: There are numerous logical and methodological errors in the anti-amalgam literature. The author concludes that the evidence supporting the safety of amalgam restorations is compelling. CLINICAL IMPLICATIONS: Amalgam restorations remain safe and effective. Dentists should educate patients and other health care professionals who may be mistakenly concerned about amalgam safety.
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Now, as I stated earlier I don't want to get into a debate about the safety of mercury fillings as it would take me several months to get up to date with all the literature and be able to make an informed judgment. Unlike some people I don't just blindly believe what appears on the internet :p
 
er, there's no evidence there.

Sure someone got paid to wave their hands in the air and say nothing to worry about we can all go home, big deal.
 
Jazzz said:
er, there's no evidence there.

Sure someone got paid to wave their hands in the air and say nothing to worry about we can all go home, big deal.
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I usually try to keep it polite and friendly but you really are being a fucktard with those comments.
So, an article in a professional journal (found with the very minimal of effort on my part, so I'm suggeating their may be more) is not evidence. But the guff article that you postered earlier is??? The video showing that mercury added to neurones inhibits their growth is???
And someone got paid?? What do you mean, are you suggesting they were paid to come to the conclusions they did, or that they were being paid for doing their research???

The problem is, and I'm not sure whether you are aware of it, is that you start a thread with a proposition. Then post up very little to support it, and you have a history of posting things that are clearly bollocks. Then you seem to think that your proposition is correct. It may well be but you've yet to convince many people I think.

If it were me I would post up stuff that showed levels of mercury released from amalgalms, data showing absorption, distribution, and excretion of mercury at amalgalm levels, and links to how the levels of mercury found in the body from fillings can affect health. And much of it would be from reputable websites and sources.
 
I'm occasionally tempted to try creating my own health scare.

Then waiting to see how long it takes for Dr Jazzz to self-diagnose himself with it :rolleyes:
 
axon said:
I usually try to keep it polite and friendly but you really are being a fucktard with those comments.
So, an article in a professional journal (found with the very minimal of effort on my part, so I'm suggeating their may be more) is not evidence. But the guff article that you postered earlier is??? The video showing that mercury added to neurones inhibits their growth is???
And someone got paid?? What do you mean, are you suggesting they were paid to come to the conclusions they did, or that they were being paid for doing their research???

The problem is, and I'm not sure whether you are aware of it, is that you start a thread with a proposition. Then post up very little to support it, and you have a history of posting things that are clearly bollocks. Then you seem to think that your proposition is correct. It may well be but you've yet to convince many people I think.

If it were me I would post up stuff that showed levels of mercury released from amalgalms, data showing absorption, distribution, and excretion of mercury at amalgalm levels, and links to how the levels of mercury found in the body from fillings can affect health. And much of it would be from reputable websites and sources.
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You're having a laugh. You've posted up nothing. Nothing at all. No evidence of amalgam safety. Zilch. Nada.

And what the fuck is wrong the University of Calgary video I linked to? Do tell.

Come back when you have some evidence, not this waffle.
 
Jazzz said:
You're having a laugh. You've posted up nothing. Nothing at all. No evidence of amalgam safety. Zilch. Nada.
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So, you don't think that a research article that states "Amalgam restorations remain safe and effective. Dentists should educate patients and other health care professionals who may be mistakenly concerned about amalgam safety." is evidence. Now you may disagree with the conlcusions or the methodology but to claim that it isn't evidence is slightly mad.

Jazzz said:
And what the fuck is wrong the University of Calgary video I linked to? Do tell.
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Which one was that? I watched the second one and posted earlier as to why it wasn't relevent. I didn't watch the first one after the upset caused by wasting 4 mins of my life on the one I did see.

Have you actually looked for any evidence of amalgam safety? Have you tried PubMed, I haven't done exhaustive research but there are hundreds if not thousands of papers about the issue. They probably contain some of the technical details that are needed to assess the safety of mercury amalgalms.
 
axon said:
So, you don't think that a research article that states "Amalgam restorations remain safe and effective. Dentists should educate patients and other health care professionals who may be mistakenly concerned about amalgam safety." is evidence. Now you may disagree with the conlcusions or the methodology but to claim that it isn't evidence is slightly mad.
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You seem rather confused here. No, that's not evidence, that's simply a conclusion of the author that article. Who knows what evidence and reasoning he used to get to it? You certainly haven't informed us. If you did, I'm sure it could be very easily taken apart at the seams. Go ahead!
 
Jazzz said:
You seem rather confused here. No, that's not evidence, that's simply a conclusion of the author that article. Who knows what evidence and reasoning he used to get to it? You certainly haven't informed us. If you did, I'm sure it could be very easily taken apart at the seams. Go ahead!
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Have you read the article?

If not, then you automatically lose.
 
axon said:
... there are hundreds if not thousands of papers about the issue. They probably contain some of the technical details that are needed to assess the safety of mercury amalgalms.
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Are you making this up?
 
fogbat said:
Have you read the article?

If not, then you automatically lose.
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Astounding logic fogbat... I've simply read what been linked to on the forum, forgive me but I don't have to make the defence case for you because you can't find it :D
 
Jazzz said:
You seem rather confused here. No, that's not evidence, that's simply a conclusion of the author that article. Who knows what evidence and reasoning he used to get to it?
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Yes, this is the key. And this is wrong with your premise so far about the dangers of amalgalms. What is the evidence?, stuff like, look all these people got ill because of fillings would be a start. Videos informing us that mercury is bad for cells doesn't count.
 
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