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Mercury amalgam fillings - a poisoning of generations

Jazzz said:
Astounding logic fogbat... I've simply read what been linked to on the forum, forgive me but I don't have to make the defence case for you because you can't find it :D
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I'm quoting your rules straight back at you, doctor :D
 
Jazzz said:
Are you making this up?
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No. Searching for "mercury amalgalm" in PubMed brings up 1961 research articles and 194 research review articles. This is why I don't want to debate the details of mercury safety as I don't want to wade through that lot. And I guarantee you that some of those articles say that mercury amalgalms are fine, some say they are not. Reading them all would allow me to make a judgement on mercury in amalgalms, which I can't do by watching a video saying that mercury is bad for cells.
 
sorry but I've put up two videos, one collation of studies of patients with amalgams removed, and an extremely well-referenced article.

I've also linked to this scientific case page of the IAOMT

There has been no criticism of any aspect of the videos, the article, or the IAOMT page... apart from hand-waving

Against this I am presented with a single paragraph which assures us that amalgams are safe.

There's no contest here.
 
axon said:
No. Searching for "mercury amalgalm" in PubMed brings up 1961 research articles and 194 research review articles. This is why I don't want to debate the details of mercury safety as I don't want to wade through that lot. And I guarantee you that some of those articles say that mercury amalgalms are fine, some say they are not. Reading them all would allow me to make a judgement on mercury in amalgalms, which I can't do by watching a video saying that mercury is bad for cells.
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Don't make out that one has to do that. If there's good counterarguments to case I've put, they should be readily available. Where's the 'pro-amalgam' site, I wonder?
 
Jazzz said:
Don't make out that one has to do that. If there's good counterarguments to case I've put, they should be readily available. Where's the 'pro-amalgam' site, I wonder?
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If amalgam fillings were as expensive as the white ones, or matched teeth colour better, then such sites would exist.

Why do you think 'Evian' has a promotional website but 'tap water' does not?
 
Jazzz said:
Against this I am presented with a single paragraph which assures us that amalgams are safe.

There's no contest here.
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You seem to be missing my point. I am not arguing that amalgalms are safe, I am arguing that there is evidence that they are safe (This is not the same as they are safe), and that there are benefits of mercury amalgalms. The most obvious of which seems to be that they are cheaper than alternatives.
 
Jazzz said:
Don't make out that one has to do that. If there's good counterarguments to case I've put, they should be readily available. Where's the 'pro-amalgam' site, I wonder?
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Well I'm sure good counter-arguments and evidence can be found in the PubMed results. Do you think this isn't the case? Do you really want to sit there shouting "No evidence" when you know I've done a PubMed search on the issue? Am I going to have to pull up one of the papers and post it here?
 
axon said:
You fool! Don't you realize that if you don't go looking for counter-arguments and then don't find any, that means they don't exist!
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Because only sad conformist sheeple go looking for counter-arguments to what they currently believe. Oh yes. The truly cutting-edge just believe.
 
Groucho said:
Do you not understand why that is not a very strong argument?
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It wasn't an argument - merely a question which I was all too happy to help out with.

BE IN AWE OF TEH SKILLZ OF TEH GOOGLEMASTER KTHXBAI!!! :mad: :mad:
 
Groucho said:
Do you not understand why that is not a very strong argument?
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it's an observation.

As arguments go, I've referenced plenty of good ones, there's none coming the other way.
 
Jazzz said:
As arguments go, I've referenced plenty of good ones, there's none coming the other way.
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This is where you lose people. :rolleyes:

Aaaaaanyways . . .

Just wondering, cos, you know, wondering and stuff - have you ever seen or personally witnessed any evidence that strongly confirms any of your 'alternative beliefs'?
 
The fact bears repeating:

We have yet to hear even an attempt at a criticism of any of the points made in the videos linked in the title post.
 
Jazzz said:
The fact bears repeating:

We have yet to hear even an attempt at a criticism of any of the points made in the videos linked in the title post.
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You don't seem to read the threads so it's anyone's guess what's been criticised so far - and I can't be arsed to trawl through the thread looking.

Mercury amalgam, though, I mean please . . .

It's like going on about fluoride in water or those people who live under pylons and are convinced they caused the unlawful imprisonment of Deirde Rashid.
I know the appetite for 9/11 threads has waned somewhat but couldn't you find something a little more sexy than bloody fillings?
 
Perhaps you should read the thread 8ball before weighing in to impress everyone. If you did you would realise why it is an issue very close to my heart.
 
Jazzz said:
Perhaps you should read the thread 8ball before weighing in to impress everyone. If you did you would realise why it is an issue very close to my heart.
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Because you're a hypochondriac? :D
 
I still fail to see why this thread has got so heated....mercury is bad, we know that people exposed to high levels have problems, mad hatters and the virgin queen etc.

Mercury in amalgam can't be that bad or we would see huge problems associated with mercury poisoning in the general population as we all have had, or do have mercury fillings.

What I don't get is the idea that an informed person is completely ignorant of the fact that mercury is bad, and more importantly that the dentists are pushing the damned things. In my experience the dentist is far keener to sell you the white filling or porcelain veneer that costs a whole lot more.

I have no mercury fillings, as they needed changing out they were replaced with better, more modern materials. This had a cost implication but I'm happy to pay that, just like I tend to buy vegetarian food. People have to take some responsibility for their health, you don't just have to take the option that is cheapest for the NHS.

If Jazzz feels better for having his fillings changed, good for him. How can people get so worked up about this.

There is no conspiracy here from the medical establishment.
 
pseudonarcissus said:
I still fail to see why this thread has got so heated....mercury is bad, we know that people exposed to high levels have problems, mad hatters and the virgin queen etc.

Mercury in amalgam can't be that bad or we would see huge problems associated with mercury poisoning in the general population as we all have had, or do have mercury fillings.

What I don't get is the idea that an informed person is completely ignorant of the fact that mercury is bad, and more importantly that the dentists are pushing the damned things. In my experience the dentist is far keener to sell you the white filling or porcelain veneer that costs a whole lot more.

I have no mercury fillings, as they needed changing out they were replaced with better, more modern materials. This had a cost implication but I'm happy to pay that, just like I tend to buy vegetarian food. People have to take some responsibility for their health, you don't just have to take the option that is cheapest for the NHS.

If Jazzz feels better for having his fillings changed, good for him. How can people get so worked up about this.

There is no conspiracy here from the medical establishment.
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The thread is heated more so to do with how Jazzz handles science and less so to do with the premise.

He just posts up some half baked videos (which I have watched) and then states that his hypothesis must be true. This very much rattles the people on here, myself included, that are scientists.

At the very least if he is using some (all be it very poor) academic data he could be engaging in the subject matter a bit more and perhaps be discussing neuronal metal homeostasis, metal chelating, mechanisms for metal transport across the blood brain barrier, the role of zinc and copper in amyliod plaques for example.

Instead, as usual we get the usual hysteria, which is rather tiresome indeed.

Jazzz – engineer, physicist, mathematician, statistician, toxicologist and molecular biologist. I salute you.
 
I'm a fool heading for the abysse and don't give a fuck, nuclear power, chemical warfare, food additives, inoculations, smoking and whiskey galore are my sisters and I luv 'em
 
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