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Manchester United 18/19: finishing second best

what a monumental error appointing OGS. probably thought they had a potential zidane on the hands. a former player taking the helm bringing back glory. absolute garbage. trash. shit.
Given a choice, I'd rather sack woodward and, particularly the owners. But yeah. He was perfect for getting a post-mourhino smiley faced bounce, but there was nothing in his career so far that suggested he had the nous for top 4 football or better.
 
:(

I was watching goals from 92/3 at the gym today.bit made sad, and happy.

How far we've fallen. But at least I got to see it.

OGS has my full support, but I really fear for him. It's a massive job and I don't think the owners are up for it..
 
It’s hilarious how a decent run of results against absolutely nobody (barring a 1-0 win against Spurs) guaranteed Solskjær the job. How stupid was that.

Nice work if you can get it.
 
Anyway, forget all the club loyalties, all the stuff about which team united fans dislike most, I just want to see the look on Guardiola's serious but unhinged face if Pogba (with blue hair) does it again. I also want to see a journalist ask him if they are still chasing the quadruple treble double? :thumbs:
Don't you worry your perty head about that
 
I'm old school City, so any and every derby win is almost better than a trophy. But fuck me, how did United, in what was (cynically) designed from the start to be a one-team league, manage to fuck up the Ferguson succession so badly? It seems there is no 'United way', just a Ferguson way, in what was, when all is said and done, a skewed competition. Make the game all about the money and bigger and more skilful competitors are going to come along... Personally I don't like it, but if that that's the way it was designed... United were always a good cup side.

Anyway, whoever comes out on top in this two-horse race will have thoroughly deserved it.
 
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I, for one, have always thought that Manchester United are a fine upstanding team who play with fire and flare, and are always an absolute joy to watch.
I don't know who nicked my log-in for that comment, but I think it is fair to say, in light of recent events, that ManUre are a useless load of overpaid, lazy, showboating twats.
 
It all flows from Woodward. Who else would have paid £50 million for Fred? Paid Sanchez (already showing signs at Arsenal of being over the hill) the ludicrous amounts that has upset the entire wage structure? Gifted Jones a 4 and half year extension to his contract, when he plays a dozen games a season? Has not unloaded Darmain/Rojo years ago? And then haggles with Herrera who- for very good reasons - is a fan favourite, until he leaves on a free?

More than anything else Woodward undermined the last manager by backing the players against him.

And now with Pogba again in the vanguard they are pulling precisely the same stunt under an entirely different regime. Entirely different except for Woodward. The fish rots from the head down. More than anything else it is Woodward that needs to be removed. And if United really want to win anything over the longer term, rather than play in spurts, his favorites Pogba and Martial and for slightly different reasons, Lukaku must all be ushered to the door marked exit after him. Even if it didn't quite mean £250 mill in the kicker as a result it would still be good business in terms of the character of the club.

"If" is now the central question.
 
I really wish Ole would shut up and stop yapping on about the Fergie years and the United "way" and just get on with sorting the mess out. He even mentioned he doesn't park his car in a certain spot as he still considers it fergie parking spot :facepalm:

for goodness sake, the fergie era is gone. MOVE on. :rolleyes:
 
It all flows from Woodward. Who else would have paid £50 million for Fred? Paid Sanchez (already showing signs at Arsenal of being over the hill) the ludicrous amounts that has upset the entire wage structure? Gifted Jones a 4 and half year extension to his contract, when he plays a dozen games a season? Has not unloaded Darmain/Rojo years ago? And then haggles with Herrera who- for very good reasons - is a fan favourite, until he leaves on a free?

More than anything else Woodward undermined the last manager by backing the players against him.

And now with Pogba again in the vanguard they are pulling precisely the same stunt under an entirely different regime. Entirely different except for Woodward. The fish rots from the head down. More than anything else it is Woodward that needs to be removed. And if United really want to win anything over the longer term, rather than play in spurts, his favorites Pogba and Martial and for slightly different reasons, Lukaku must all be ushered to the door marked exit after him. Even if it didn't quite mean £250 mill in the kicker as a result it would still be good business in terms of the character of the club.

Sorry - this version of events doesn’t sound remotely credible to me.

By implication you’re saying that Pogba, Sanchez, Fred, Bailly, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Matic etc were all recruited by Woodward against Mourhino’s wishes. If this were true you can be sure Jose would have told the world and his wife this was the case when he was making excuses for our shocking results/performances towards the end of his stewardship.

Rather he said he needed even more money to strengthen the squad after already wasting a good part of £450 million on players he then decided weren’t up to the mark. We could have pretty much have had two Mo Salahs for the cost of one Lukaku. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang was the same price as Fred. And so on.

I don’t blame Woodward and the board deciding enough was enough. Why would anyone give even more money to someone whose transfer dealings to date had been pretty disastrous. Particular someone couldn’t be arsed to buy a property in Manchester, preferring to stay in a hotel a la Alan Partridge for the entire duration of his tenure. Hardly a show of commitment to the club and the fans.

Jose’s not stupid. He’s a master manipulator and never says anything without thinking it through. He knew that blaming Woodward for not shelling out more money would deflect criticism away from him as he correctly calculated the fans' default position would be to attack the board, even though the facts suggested otherwise.

Mourhino was looking for a way out, looking for his next move, practically from the moment he arrived. He, not Woodward, must shoulder most of the blame for the current situation.

What happens next will be determined by how much money will be made available in the summer, whether transfer targets are available and, more importantly whether they actually want to come.

As for Ole he can say with some justification this isn’t his team - he’s inherited a bunch of largely unhappy, dysfunctional players. That's mostly down to Jose.

As I’ve said elsewhere on this thread I’d have given the job to Wenger until the end of the season (if he’d wanted it) and then taken it from there.

But we are where we are . . . (battling to get into the Europa League :()
 
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Sorry - this version of events doesn’t sound remotely credible to me.

By implication you’re saying that Pogba, Sanchez, Fred, Bailly, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Matic etc were all recruited by Woodward against Mourhino’s wishes. If this were true you can be sure Jose would have told the world and his wife this was the case when he was making excuses for our shocking results/performances towards the end of his stewardship.

Rather he said he needed even more money to strengthen the squad after already wasting a good part of £450 million on players he then decided weren’t up to the mark. We could have pretty much have had two Mo Salahs for the cost of one Lukaku. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang was the same price as Fred. And so on.

I don’t blame Woodward and the board deciding enough was enough. Why would anyone give even more money to someone whose transfer dealings to date had been pretty disastrous. Particular someone couldn’t be arsed to buy a property in Manchester, preferring to stay in a hotel a la Alan Partridge for the entire duration of his tenure. Hardly a show of commitment to the club and the fans.

Jose’s not stupid. He’s a master manipulator and never says anything without thinking it through. He knew that blaming Woodward for not shelling out more money would deflect criticism away from him as he correctly calculated the fans' default position would be to attack the board, even though the facts suggested otherwise.

Mourhino was looking for a way out, looking for his next move, practically from the moment he arrived. He, not Woodward, must shoulder most of the blame for the current situation.

What happens next will be determined by how much money will be made available in the summer, whether transfer targets are available and, more importantly whether they actually want to come.

As for Ole he can say with some justification this isn’t his team - he’s inherited a bunch of largely unhappy, dysfunctional players. That's mostly down to Jose.

As I’ve said elsewhere on this thread I’d have given the job to Wenger until the end of the season (if he’d wanted it) and then taken it from there.

But we are where we are . . . (battling to get into the Europa League :()

If the current crop are indeed still 'unhappy and dis-functional as a result of Jose' then remember it was Woodward who appointed Mourinho in the first place. Why because of who City had appointed. And why did the go for Sanchez? Because City were rumoured to be after him. Why did he go for Fred? Because City were rumoured to be after him. Which is why he was mugged off into paying £50 mill (what was the next best offer? ) And the £500,000 per week, as alleged to Sanchez. Why? Simply to prove he can cut a deal. Who bought Falcao and Di Maria? That wasn't Van Gal. That was Woodward pursuit of a quick fix and a galactio strategy.

It was also Woodward who paid over the top money for middle of the road talent, (£160,000 a week fro Rojo for example) to such an extent that even when they no longer feature in the plans of this and the previous manager, he still can't unload them. On the other hand he puts a gun to Herrera's head (the real pivot in the Ole resurgence as we can all now see) rather than mark him out for a pay rise and and contract extension in 2017.

He clearly likes to see himself as like Levy at Spurs but is the exact opposite. His falling out with Mourinho was after all because of who he wouldn't buy. And then when the glamour pusses effectively downed tools earlier in the year they did so knowing he had their backs rather than Mourinho's. Woodward not Mourinho is the root cause of the 6 year dis-function. Mourinho is merely a symptom of wider administrative malaise and it is not even remotely credible to suggest otherwise.
 
Blistering attack by Ince. Perfectly sums up what I feel:

'Ferguson isn't the manager anymore' - Ince 'sick and tired' of nostalgic Solskjaer

Ole needs to get over Sir Alex Ferguson - he's the United manager now. We've tried this nice approach, the stuff about Ole giving the tea lady chocolates and trying to do what Sir Alex Ferguson has done

Regurgitating how he's going to do it 'the Fergie Way' is pointless. It's doing my head in and I know others feel the same. Ferguson isn't the gaffer anymore - simple. No doubt he would help if Ole was in trouble, but I'm sick and tired of it, he's the manager, he has to forget about the past and realise Ferguson isn't the manager anymore, he is

I called it before he was made manager and got stick for it, but what I said was right

The fact is, they should've waited until the end of the season before they gave him the permanent job. There was no rush to appoint him, but everyone got caught up in the euphoria and was thinking with their hearts rather than their heads. If you went to the board now and asked whether they should've given him the job - I think we know what they would say."

Ince continued: "Everyone jumped on the Ole bandwagon and now we're seeing the repercussions. Zinedine Zidane was available at the time and Mauricio Pochettino has always been the right man to take United forward in my eyes
 
Going to be interesting to see how the transfer market goes for Utd, especially if they do not have CL football as a draw.

Not sure how much of a 'clear out' they will/can actually have, despite what the fans are claiming :hmm:

De Gea rumoured to PSG
Pogba fairly certain to go
Rashford getting tapped up by Barca
Arsenal after Bailly
Lukaku talking about Milan

Herrara, Mata, Valencia likely off for free. Sanchez off on loan if some idiot 'meets his wage demands' and/or Utd subsidise this.

Probably the Utd faithful won't miss much of that list (Rashford aside) but replacing them may be tough.
 
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Man United transfer response shows they have got their priorities wrong
Solskjaer and Mike Phelan have spoken about recruiting 'United Way' talents, players more motivated by their goalscoring than their social media following. Phelan is said to find the current club structure unrecognisable from the one Sir Alex Ferguson cultivated and, frankly, papered over. But he and Solskjaer are still too much in thrall to the Ferguson factor.
 
Going to be interesting to see how the transfer market goes for Utd, especially if they do not have CL football as a draw.

Not sure how much of a 'clear out' they will/can actually have, despite what the fans are claiming :hmm:

De Gea rumoured to PSG
Pogba fairly certain to go
Rashford getting tapped up by Barca
Arsenal after Bailly
Lukaku talking about Milan

Herrara, Mata, Valencia likely off for free. Sanchez off on loan if some idiot 'meets his wage demands' and/or Utd subsidise this.

Probably the Utd faithful won't miss much of that list (Rashford aside) but replacing them may be tough.

Blimey, if United fans wont miss much of them what would they say to those members of the squad that are left ? I'm not entirely conviced that CL football is a must for good signings tbh. Club repeatedly failing to qualify for the CL would be a bigger turn off .
 
Blimey, if United fans wont miss much of them what would they say to those members of the squad that are left ? I'm not entirely conviced that CL football is a must for good signings tbh. Club repeatedly failing to qualify for the CL would be a bigger turn off .
It is not so much how much they miss that shower. It is more how much of a draw for top players Utd are without CL football :hmm:

Not saying they are suddenly not a big (top 6 still) club, just that there are a lot of clubs in the CL looking for players.
Manchester United want Tottenham's £60m-rated Danish midfielder Christian Eriksen, 27. Manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer sees Eriksen as a key part of his rebuilding plans at Old Trafford.
I suppose if Eriksen is just after the money he might head to Utd? Although no doubt there are several clubs across Europe who would match Utd monies for him.
 
PSG can easily match us and more for wages. If I were Eriksen, i would rather be at PSG at this moment than at United, tbh
 
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