Manchester United 18/19: finishing second best
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sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Exactly. Rinse and repeat, nice work if you can get it. A big gripe of mine about Football managers is they get rewarded for failure, you get fuck all for resigning but a massive pay off if you fail and get sacked.He will get another fat pay off and probably get another gig worth a kings ransom
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Sanchez resembles a blade that has had one too many shaves.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
I still can't get over how genuinely tiny he is in the flesh. Thought Pereira & Bailly were terrific - a Pereira, Matic & Pogba midfield has real potential. Singing/standing section in corner of United Road added some noise, enlivened by the boozy evening kick-off. Lancashire won under the floodlights as well at the other OT - town was in a good mood last night.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
That wouldn't be problem, if he didn't display the touch of someone a good foot and half taller.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
You think modern football's in a bad way. Then you bump into the cricket lot returning from watching Lancashire Lightning play a 'created for tv' T20 match at the Emirates Old Trafford & realise every sport's been turned into a clownish shitshow. 'Not the Spin', the Lancs campaigning fanzine, has been banned from the ground (sorry, from 'the cricketing experience) for criticising the board, & the writers' memberships revoked. Pay up, sit down, shut up.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Mourhino seems to be fucking up his relationship with Pogba. I don't know the ins and outs and specifically who to blame for Pogba not performing as well for United as for France. But same time, Mourhino is the manager and the one responsible for keeping all the plates spinning. Whatever the issues he should have managed a bit of good grace and given him some genuine praise after the world cup.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Yeahread a bit on the BBC this morning about Pogba wanting to leave and Mourinho saying he needs to put in a transfer request
Fake news being spread by his rotund, rapacious and psychopathic agent most likely.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Actually Mourinho is carrying the can for the truly appalling tenure of LVG and all those sub-prime signings - too many to mention. A whole team of duds effectively. Some are so bad he still can't get rid of them - even now! It was under LVG that the real damage was done. Jose is still in the business of trying to remedy the situation. Not easy when the Woodward and the Glazers (remember them?) are second guessing him on transfers while rivals are continually adding to their squads. Coming from 6th to 2nd was no mean achievement in the circumstances. Sure the football wasn't always pretty but the side is unbalanced. A right-footed left back and a left-footed right winger congest play. Shaw is he stays fit, can solve the first problem. And perhaps Sanchez if he's moved out right, might solve the second one but Mourinho is hardly spoiled for choice in either department is he? Not only should there be options at left back and right wing, he still has no natural left-winger either. None of that is because the manager hasn't identified the problems. He has his faults, but not knowing how to highlight weak points in the squad and win trophies is not one them.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
I'd agree with all of that, but he causes so much shit wherever he goes that you've got to ask yourself if he's worth it. The Eva Carneiro scandal at Chelsea shows just how low he's prepared to go, and he is almost guaranteed to be at someone's throat or get other people at each other's throats. He's talented, but there's something wrong with him deep down.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
auld moany can reach the heights but you can see what depths he can sink to from his last period at chelsea.
hope he stays at united for years tho.
hope he stays at united for years tho.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Slagging off the fans and the boards decision making in the media is hardly a remedy.
Players have turned united down, is that the boards or the mangers doing?
It's the way he does it is the problem.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
From last year,, Manchester United: Jose Mourinho says £300m spend not enough
He also has one of the highest (if not the highest) spend rates as a european manager.
He also has one of the highest (if not the highest) spend rates as a european manager.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The agent's friend
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
What would you make of Mourhino's handling of Rashford, Martial, Baily, Shaw and Pogba - and maybe even Sanchez? In the main young players who seem to have gone into reverse in the last 12 months. I'm not arguing against your take on the dynamics of the club, I'm just wondering whether he's lost his touch in terms of managing players. He was always a mixture of arm round the shoulder along and public criticism - he had his own ways that broadly did the trick. Doesn't seem to be doing now - and manged to lose the plot entirely in that respect in the pre-season.
Edit: of course fair play to him in terms of squeezing a bit more out of Young and Valencia. Neither are stellar performers, but he's getting as much as he can out of them.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
That first stint at Chelsea he did manage to get players to love him, who seemed like they'd do anything for him. That's what he seems to have lost now.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
I think Mourinho is behaving pretty badly, that he's toxic and so on - but it doesn't necessarily mean united will do badly this season. All the predictions of City first with Liverpool pushing them close... they're just early season predictions, and they usually go wrong pretty quickly.
I think there will be a sacking, or he'll walk at some point in the not-distant future. But it won't happen right now, and he might get one league title in before he fucks off.
I think there will be a sacking, or he'll walk at some point in the not-distant future. But it won't happen right now, and he might get one league title in before he fucks off.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Bailly has not gone backwards - he was injured for practically the entire season. But he's very inexperienced in terms of game played anywhere, not just at Utd. So ideally a more experienced partner was required. The board said no. Shaw scored the first goal of this entire career last week. Also MOM. Pogba is a world cup winner.
In what way have any of them gone backwards based on the actual evidence? In the meantime Lingard, MacTominay, Lindelof and Periera etc are all still developing.
Martial's curious mentality might not at the end of the day be suited to any 'top top' club. Rashford has flat-lined but its not like he has pulled up any trees for England either so the jury is out.
Finally the idea that the manger is responsible for Sanchez's performance is frankly absurd. Sanchez is an experienced international - he is responsible for his own output. That's what he was bought for. To deliver. He's not doing it. But then his form had tailed off before he was transferred. Wenger was blamed then. Mourinho now. The real problem may well run deeper.
As for Chelsea given what happened with Conte it is clearly Chelsea itself and not the managers that is dis-functional. The remark that Mourinho's record has only been "broadly" successful proves only one thing. The press are winning the propaganda war - hands down.
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sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Sanchez thought he was going to Man city, he wanted to go to Man city. More fool united for buying a player that didn't want to go there.
