sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
They didn’t get the same refs in Europe.
Man United - the team that gets me excited? 2024-2026
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Humberto
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I'm not a United fan but they were a force in Europe towards the end of Fergie's tenure. Unfortunately for them they came up against peak Barca.
Fergie lost 2 out of 4 European cup finals at United. So better than Klopp. And he won the Cup Winners Cup for the record.
United dominated English football for best part of 20 years under Fergie. Klopp at Liverpool is a blip by comparison. Not even a comparison.
Humberto
Well-Known Member
That's right, thanks.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Aye and I'm not convinced that if Barcelona had magically disappeared in that period that United would have been the team who dominated. In the leading pack certainly, but weren't the consistent 2nd best in Europe.
You can see the history here, only 4 finals in the history of the Champion's League:
Man Utd | History | UEFA Champions League
Track every club's performances in the UEFA Champions League including statistics, video and details of top players.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
But in 9 years at the club. Overall, a better (European) strike rate than Ferguson's.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
From memory, didn't Liverpool's performance actually drop off a bit in the empty stadium bit of the Covid season? They were miles ahead from the pre-Covid normal bit of the season.
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
No surprises really, Ronaldo had gone off to Real, Barca had Messi. They weren't selling their best players to anyone when they were only going to improve.
Could say the same for Barca really, they won the league what 5 times in a row?
Real just wrecked everyone.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
This is pretty much a scenario for factions in the team to start piping up and saying they don't know what eth's philosophy is, how they are supposed to be playing etc. In the Summer he was dead man, walking given a slightly longer plank to walk, now he's looking down at open water.
www.theguardian.com
Sir Jim Ratcliffe: decision on Ten Hag’s Manchester United future ‘not my call’
The Manchester United co-owner, Sir Jim Ratcliffe, has added to the uncertainty of Erik ten Hag’s future by declaring any decision on the manager is ‘not my call’
Not really.
Klopp Liverpool final league position:
8, 4, 4, 2, 1, 3, 2, 5, 3.
I mean Ten Hag came 3rd in his first season and he’s already won 2 trophies.
In 27 seasons in the top flight under Sir Alex's management United were Champions 13 times, second on 7 occasions and third 3 times. They finished outside the top three on only 4 occasions, all of which were back in the days of the First Division.
No comparison.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
You brought Klopp up.
Not the point - the point is Ferguson wasn't really good enough to dominate Europe.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
You're right, Ferguson could splash the cash from floating on the stock exchange. Klopp had to compete against dodgy oil money.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Hopefully Man Utd will get something out of the Villa game so Ten Hag’s sacking gets delayed again .
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Solskjaer's victory against PSG was a spectacular version of the same principle.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Think we might be at cross purposes. I was responding to your comment 'and the covid season', which I took to you suggesting it was a weird season to win or not the same as a 'normal' victory. I was just pointing out that Liverpool effectively won that season before lockdown and their margin of victory was probably less than it would have been otherwise.
Anyway, for me, Ferguson's greatness was not so much what he did in any particular season - though the treble wasn't all that shabby - it was that he kept going all those years. Bloody mindedness, toughness, being a twat to be honest, but responding to other sides improving, making changes and going in to work every day and doing it. Guardiola (certainly), Klopp, Mourhino and a few others have better CVs over a shorter stretch but don't have quite that same gravel in your guts and spit in your eye.
It's not how much you have, it's what you do with it.
Just watched the Spurs highlights. That was some rotten defending and Fernandes is an idiot who shouldn't be captain.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Here's eth's transfer purchases. Not the first post-Ferguson Dutchman to buy some shit players but still, you can't disagree with much of this piece:
www.theguardian.com
Ten Hag’s transfers rated: flop Antony set tone for United’s slap-dash spree
Over five windows and a £600m spend, few arrivals have made a significant positive impact at Manchester United
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Here's eth's transfer purchases. Not the first post-Ferguson Dutchman to buy some shit players but still, you can't disagree with much of this piece:
Ten Hag’s transfers rated: flop Antony set tone for United’s slap-dash spree
Over five windows and a £600m spend, few arrivals have made a significant positive impact at Manchester United
If Ugarte can recapture the level of performance he had at Sporting he will be at least a 4
