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Mac Vs PC (2022 edition)

Some bench marking for those that may care.

I took a 1 minute 4K video with my iPhone 12 Pro this evening (30 FPS, HDR, Dolby Vision, High Efficiency HEVC) the output file came out at 369MB

I imported the same file into Adobe Premiere Pro both my 2017 Lenovo IdeaPad 700 (released in 2017. i7 Processor, 16GB of RAM, SSD drive) and the new 2021 MacBook Pro (M1 Pro, 16GB of RAM, SSD drive)

I also whacked the same file into Final Cut Pro. I applied a LUT that was compatible with Final Cut and Premiere Pro just so we were changing up the colour slightly, and also set the output to be an MP4 file, HEVC, 8bit colour, 10.79Mbps Bitrate, and audio converted to AAC Stereo 320kbps

The Lenovo took 7 minutes and 2 seconds to convert this 1 minute video file that was now down to a measly 54MB
In Premiere Pro on the MBP the file took 1 minute and 5 seconds to output the exact same file at the same file size.
Final Cut Pro took 48 seconds, and file size was a couple MB bigger.

I think I justified why I wanted to spend a fair whack of money to save my workflows a chunk of time. I look forward to putting it through its paces with some 40 minute videos and some proper projects. Final Cut shaving off even more time though, probably means short term, I'm going to have to learn how to use a different program. Which will take time in itself. We'll see how I get on. This was likely always going to be the case due to Premiere Pro recently doing some weird shit with the export file being over exposed and nothing like it is in the preview editor when you edit video from an iPhone (not always going to have chunky cameras and a drone on me!)
 
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UnderAnOpenSky said:
Don't you have a spare server somewhere you could have a windows VM in for the few things that you really miss? I'm sure nobody will notice an extra one on there if your the boss. :p

A couple of our guys use Macs as you get to choose your laptop when you've been here a while and as we work in VMs and SSH to linux servers it makes little difference. I've even been told that teams is nicer on a Mac.
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I'll still have my Lenovo around. For general stuff it's still a very capable laptop and still deals with anything that's not CPU intensive with a breeze. But fingers crossed majority of what I do there's Mac versions of everything.
 
elbows said:
Unreal 5 is looking rather impressive so far, though this is an example where some features and development lag behind a bit on the Mac. Although just recently they finally made some fo the built in modelling capabilities in 5 work on the mac, yay.

Its more efficient than Unity in some ways, and doesnt get trapped in corporate development hell as often (I bet Unity are very frustrating to work for). But its also one of the best ways I know of to find out how loud the fans on these new macs can actually become under sustained load - when shaders are compiling in Unreal the macbook pro fans reach levels I havent experienced with most other tasks.
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Are you still using your VR headset (I’m sure it’s you who said they were from memory). That would open things up a bit :D especially as you have to up the resolution somewhat.
 
cybershot said:
Some bench marking for those that may care.

I took a 1 minute 4K video with my iPhone 12 Pro this evening (30 FPS, HDR, Dolby Vision, High Efficiency HEVC) the output file came out at 369MB

I imported the same file into Adobe Premiere Pro both my 2017 Lenovo IdeaPad 700 (released in 2017. i7 Processor, 16GB of RAM, SSD drive) and the new 2021 MacBook Pro (M1 Pro, 16GB of RAM, SSD drive)

I also whacked the same file into Final Cut Pro. I applied a LUT that was compatible with Final Cut and Premiere Pro just so we were changing up the colour slightly, and also set the output to be an MP4 file, HEVC, 8bit colour, 10.79Mbps Bitrate, and audio converted to AAC Stereo 320kbps

The Lenovo took 7 minutes and 2 seconds to convert this 1 minute video file that was now down to a measly 54MB
In Premiere Pro on the MBP the file took 1 minute and 5 seconds to output the exact same file at the same file size.
Final Cut Pro took 48 seconds, and file size was a couple MB bigger.

I think I justified why I wanted to spend a fair whack of money to save my workflows a chunk of time. I look forward to putting it through its paces with some 40 minute videos and some proper projects. Final Cut shaving off even more time though, probably means short term, I'm going to have to learn how to use a different program. Which will take time in itself. We'll see how I get on. This was likely always going to be the case due to Premiere Pro recently doing some weird shit with the export file being over exposed and nothing like it is in the preview editor when you edit video from an iPhone (not always going to have chunky cameras and a drone on me!)
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I use Premiere Pro (obviously can’t use FCP on a PC) but really I want to switch to Davinci Resolve. And that is GPU more than CPU (not sure if that’s in general or because of the colourist tasks).
 
Magnus McGinty said:
Are you still using your VR headset (I’m sure it’s you who said they were from memory). That would open things up a bit :D especially as you have to up the resolution somewhat.
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I still like VR but I have to downgrade my visual fidelity expectations when using it, and this is a great example of something that macs are still no good for. I do want to do more with this sort of thing in future, but I need some different ideas and for them not to be so half-baked, and not to be anything to do with my fluid sim obsession because that eats most of the GPU power on its own. I'll probably wait and see what Apples offering is like on the VR/AR/MR front, but the rumours suggest that their first version may come with a really large pricetag and will be geared towards developers more than anything. So a really good idea will have to pop into my head before I can bring myself to go down that route. In the meantime, the desktop PC will still get switched on when I want to piss around with VR.
 
I've just started using Davinci Resolve (was using crappy Imovie HD before).

Just last night I rendered out an approx 40 mins 4k video; this is the first thing I've used it to produce and the first time I've used an M1 mac to do a longish video. I set it going before I went to bed because my expectation based on my old mac was that it would take at least a couple of hours. When I came back to the computer this morning, it had completed the task in 35 minutes; that's on an M1 (first version, not max or pro) mac mini.
 
teuchter said:
I've just started using Davinci Resolve (was using crappy Imovie HD before).

Just last night I rendered out an approx 40 mins 4k video; this is the first thing I've used it to produce and the first time I've used an M1 mac to do a longish video. I set it going before I went to bed because my expectation based on my old mac was that it would take at least a couple of hours. When I came back to the computer this morning, it had completed the task in 35 minutes; that's on an M1 (first version, not max or pro) mac mini.
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Good man using Resolve. I really need to switch. I’m too invested in shitty Adobe for it to be untangled easily unfortunately.
 
I'm using the free version, it does everything I need and I found I could pick it up very quickly.

Decided to untangle myself from anything Adobe some time ago. For photo/illustration stuff I use the Affinty apps, and use Darktable a bit for photo processing.
 
teuchter said:
I'm using the free version, it does everything I need and I found I could pick it up very quickly.

Decided to untangle myself from anything Adobe some time ago. For photo/illustration stuff I use the Affinty apps, and use Darktable a bit for photo processing.
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The free version of Resolve can complete most tasks for most people. I showed it to my mate and he couldn’t believe it was free.
I think I could drop all of Adobe except after effects. Fusion (the similar thing paid for in resolve) can do similar tasks but it’s going to take a while to get that complete change of thinking from layer based work to node based.
 
I use Audition purely to remix an audio file to the exact length that I want it. It does some witchcraft. I can't believe there's nothing else out that that does this? Surely there is?
 
cybershot said:
I use Audition purely to remix an audio file to the exact length that I want it. It does some witchcraft. I can't believe there's nothing else out that that does this? Surely there is?
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Davinci Resolve comes with Fairlight which is similar although I couldn’t say if it’s included in the free version or not. Or if it does similar witchcraft.
 
Magnus McGinty said:
Davinci Resolve comes with Fairlight which is similar although I couldn’t say if it’s included in the free version or not.
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I think I remember looking at some Youtube tutorials on it, and it wasn't anywhere as simple as how Audition does it (load track, click remix, tell it what length you want, and it does it's witchcraft) I think you can probably tell from my posts on this thread that time > money! :D
 
cybershot said:
I think I remember looking at some Youtube tutorials on it, and it wasn't anywhere as simple as how Audition does it (load track, click remix, tell it what length you want, and it does it's witchcraft) I think you can probably tell from my posts on this thread that time > money! :D
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Yeah there’s some advantages to Adobe. Else it would be dead. Such as me sitting in Premiere and opening up Audition from within and the changes taking effect in the Premiere project. No idea if that works in Resolve.
 
cybershot said:
Some bench marking for those that may care.

I took a 1 minute 4K video with my iPhone 12 Pro this evening (30 FPS, HDR, Dolby Vision, High Efficiency HEVC) the output file came out at 369MB

I imported the same file into Adobe Premiere Pro both my 2017 Lenovo IdeaPad 700 (released in 2017. i7 Processor, 16GB of RAM, SSD drive) and the new 2021 MacBook Pro (M1 Pro, 16GB of RAM, SSD drive)

I also whacked the same file into Final Cut Pro. I applied a LUT that was compatible with Final Cut and Premiere Pro just so we were changing up the colour slightly, and also set the output to be an MP4 file, HEVC, 8bit colour, 10.79Mbps Bitrate, and audio converted to AAC Stereo 320kbps

The Lenovo took 7 minutes and 2 seconds to convert this 1 minute video file that was now down to a measly 54MB
In Premiere Pro on the MBP the file took 1 minute and 5 seconds to output the exact same file at the same file size.
Final Cut Pro took 48 seconds, and file size was a couple MB bigger.

I think I justified why I wanted to spend a fair whack of money to save my workflows a chunk of time. I look forward to putting it through its paces with some 40 minute videos and some proper projects. Final Cut shaving off even more time though, probably means short term, I'm going to have to learn how to use a different program. Which will take time in itself. We'll see how I get on. This was likely always going to be the case due to Premiere Pro recently doing some weird shit with the export file being over exposed and nothing like it is in the preview editor when you edit video from an iPhone (not always going to have chunky cameras and a drone on me!)
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Obviously you'd expect some improvement over four years but that is a lot. We did all know that the M1s were monsters, but the degree to which they were monstrous isn't always obvious.

Ironically now that I primarily do web dev rather than games none of this matters :D servers are usually significantly less powerful than any dev machine and if you want more you generally load-balance. In fact it's actively not useful to have a dev machine that's far more powerful than whatever somebody has dialled into EC2.
 
Good to see this thread. I'm thinking of getting a 2nd hand Mac laptop.

I bought a cheap Lenovo Ideapad 3yrs ago.
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz 8.00 GB RAM Windows 10 Home

It's just ground to halt now. My old mac laptop from '06 OS10.6 doesn't run a working browser now so not much use but still runs super smoothly.

Doesn't Windows have a built in entropy?
 
DJWrongspeed said:
Good to see this thread. I'm thinking of getting a 2nd hand Mac laptop.

I bought a cheap Lenovo Ideapad 3yrs ago.
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz 8.00 GB RAM Windows 10 Home

It's just ground to halt now. My old mac laptop from '06 OS10.6 doesn't run a working browser now so not much use but still runs super smoothly.

Doesn't Windows have a built in entropy?
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They stop supporting operating systems after a time yes.
 
DJWrongspeed said:
Good to see this thread. I'm thinking of getting a 2nd hand Mac laptop.

I bought a cheap Lenovo Ideapad 3yrs ago.
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz 8.00 GB RAM Windows 10 Home
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Have you tried a full reinstall? Windows seems to clog up over time, especially if it's a cheap model.

Mind you if you want a fast running machine that isn't going to slow down - and you don't need to run specialist software - you won't get a better deal than a Chromebook.
 
editor said:
Have you tried a full reinstall? Windows seems to clog up over time, especially if it's a cheap model.

Mind you if you want a fast running machine that isn't going to slow down - and you don't need to run specialist software - you won't get a better deal than a Chromebook.
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Support finish even quicker. Hardly feels like I've owned mine and it's finished.
 
editor said:
Nwq Chromebooks are supported for 8 years, and of course they cost a fraction of a MacBook. And there's ways around that restriction anyway.

www.parallels.com

What to Do with Chromebook After End of Life?

What to do with Chromebook after end of life? We will cover what happens when automatic updates expire on your device.
www.parallels.com
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That must be a new thing, I've had it nowhere near 8 years. Can't even put Linux on the dam thing as despite being Intel based it appears to be one of the few that there isn't a version that plays nice.
 
After having a very expensive battery service on my 2018 MacBook Pro, I was working offshore and suddenly had the pink screen of DEATH. I tried starting in safe mode and all that stuff to no avail. Anyway, I took it to an authorised repair place and my friend Ricky did not seem optimistic. A few days later he sent a message about screen delaminating, and that he was going to replace the screen UNDER WARRANTY! I picked it up today and it seems to be fixed.

If you do have a problem it’s probably worth getting it checked out with an official place, even if that means going to Watford.

I don’t think Dell would give a shit about a 4 year old machine
 
Yeah one of the advantages of the extreme profit margins built into their products, and the extent to which they have a high opinion of their own reputation, is that sometimes they are quite good when it comes to long term warranty cover, especially if the underlying tech issue is on their well known component defects list.
 
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