Johnny Canuck2 said:
very well. he was keen to explain that as a family - views aside - they were warm, friendly, close, loving..
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very well. he was keen to explain that as a family - views aside - they were warm, friendly, close, loving..
that could be extended to, well, media in general.Dubversion said:i think you misunderstand the nature of documentaries, Johnny.
How many documentaries period deal with positive things?
"here's a one-hour look at some happy people with fulfilled lives"
dumbass
i dont think theres ever been a time when you turn on the news and the main headline is 'these people are happy, everythings fine'
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Dubversion said:
I don't think that I do.
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/sharkwater.html
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0795418/
You've never heard of Sargent Shriver, have you? I doubt it played on BBC
http://www.democracynow.org/static/IMIATOW.shtml
http://www.pbs.org/kqed/fillmore/program/
http://www.berkeleymedia.com/films/all_for_the_taking_21stcentury_urban_renewal
etc.
Dumbass.
i'm sure i could cite a handful of examples of positive UK docs too, johnny, but are you going to try and pretend that negative / wacko / alarming ones don't dominate?
dumbass
dumbass
exleper said:
well precisely. But Johnny thinks we're being horribly unfair on the seppies
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Calva dosser said:
Yes, and Hitler's propaganda image used to denigrate the US, was that it was a land of mafia style italian gangsters.
You guys are just buying into the modern version of that propaganda.
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Dubversion said:i'm sure i could cite a handful of examples of positive UK docs too, johnny, but are you going to try and pretend that negative / wacko / alarming ones don't dominate?
dumbass
I'm pointing out that there is a wealth of documentaries out there, on a host of subjects, both positive and negative, so you're wrong on what a documentary is meant to be.
And wacko negative ones probably do dominate your british media, when it comes to exposition of the US. That's my point exactly.
Shitforbrains.
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Dubversion said:well precisely. But Johnny thinks we're being horribly unfair on the seppies
I don't care if you're unfair. I'm just pointing out that when it comes to the consumption of documentaries about the US, you're no better than Daily Mail readers.
Nobody really expects the Daily Mail to be fair.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
i didn't indicate a normative idea about docs, johnny, i didn't state that they're MEANT to be negative. I merely pointed out that positive docs of any kind are very much in the minority
Johnny Canuck2 said:
and as i already clearly stated, brainiac, wacko or negative ones dominate the british media period, whether about the US or not. This is not an anti-US problem, it's to do with what docs get made, and why, and who watches them.
I'd still maintain that the general portrayal of the US in the british media is positive, but then that's because so much of the british media is US generated anyway.
Do you never feel like just a bit of a twat telling people in another country what their TV is like?
fucko
Your hyperlinks Johnny, are lazily added to distract people from pertinent argument; But then, you are, allegedly, a lawyer.
I haven't time to read them.
Most of us are well aware that The U.S. is the greatest nation there ever was,(or hopefully ever will be, when we finally get rid of nations)
But the image of that nation abroad is pretty shabby.
I haven't time to read them.
Most of us are well aware that The U.S. is the greatest nation there ever was,(or hopefully ever will be, when we finally get rid of nations)
But the image of that nation abroad is pretty shabby.
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Dubversion said:
Originally Posted by Dubversion
i think you misunderstand the nature of documentaries, Johnny.
How many documentaries period deal with positive things?
"here's a one-hour look at some happy people with fulfilled lives"
Johnny Canuck2 said:
that's the nature of documentaries, yes - how they are.
not how they should be.
thanks for confirming my point
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Dubversion said:iDo you never feel like just a bit of a twat telling people in another country what their TV is like?
fucko
I'm not. I made a comment that based on what I've seen, many british made documentaries about the US focus on the lunatic fringe, and that the british public seems to eat this stuff up.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
yes, many - but not all - do. THis is - as I'm being to tire of explaining - the way documentaries are (not, to be clear, how they necessarily SHOULD be). However, this is neither problem peculiar to the portrayal of the US NOR indicative of the broader impression of the US portrayed in the UK media.
it's really EVER SO simple
LD Rudeboy said:I thought it was "Blood and Fire" or is that The Salvation Army?
The Sally Anne is 'blood and fire' alright, but it's 'Blood and sand' when they get a swally on and Colonel Booth is round the corner pulling the wire
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Calva dosser said:
You shouldn't. Cognitive dissonance is an unpleasant thing to experience.
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8ball said:
Like I said before, I don't think your sense of humour extends as much with your own loonies.
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Dubversion said:yes, many - but not all - do. THis is - as I'm being to tire of explaining - the way documentaries are (not, to be clear, how they necessarily SHOULD be). However, this is neither problem peculiar to the portrayal of the US NOR indicative of the broader impression of the US portrayed in the UK media.
it's really EVER SO simple
I'd be interested to see a list of documentaries run on the BBC in the past two years, that presented any positive aspect of the US.
Johnny - i'll make it clear for you. A quick trawl of tonights docs / reality shows on the terrestrial channels.
One Life - a look at British women marrying much older men
Amazing Grace - the history of the song
Mad But Glad - a look at a british guy with Tourettes
The Secret World of Haute Couture (including Brits, americans and continental europeans)
Eunuchs - a look at voluntary eunuchs in both the UK and US
The Anastasia Theory - a look at the execution of the Russian Royal Family.
apologies if i've missed any - not on purpose, i promise.
so that's 6 docs, of which none were exclusively about the US, and 4 or perhaps even 5 are either 'wacky' or 'negative'.
Poor ole US of A, eh?
One Life - a look at British women marrying much older men
Amazing Grace - the history of the song
Mad But Glad - a look at a british guy with Tourettes
The Secret World of Haute Couture (including Brits, americans and continental europeans)
Eunuchs - a look at voluntary eunuchs in both the UK and US
The Anastasia Theory - a look at the execution of the Russian Royal Family.
apologies if i've missed any - not on purpose, i promise.
so that's 6 docs, of which none were exclusively about the US, and 4 or perhaps even 5 are either 'wacky' or 'negative'.
Poor ole US of A, eh?
Johnny Canuck2 said:
well there's an almost never-ending series of docs about US culture - Soul Deep, ( a history of soul music which looked at the socio-political context) is a notable example. A slew of recent programmes about NY music - disco, punk etc. This stuff is on all the time. In fact, i'd argue that the positive stuff about US culture far outweighs the negative stuff about fundies and neo-cons.
Crispy said:
precisely, It's certainly not dominant in any way.
The audience for a show like Theroux's - which was in no way critical of broader US society anyway - is far lower than that for the many many hours per week of US soaps, dramas, movies and the like which tend (like ER or Frazier or whatever) to paint Americans in a perfectly fine light
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