Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins

[bimble]

I understand teuchter that you are a firm believer in .. Hanlon's razor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CH1]

The new shop in the plan has always been the brewtique (this bit where it looks like someone lost in Shoreditch).
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but I never expected it to actually exist already, an 'artisan bottled beer shop' .. in Macclesfield. Brewtique
I'm enquiring whether or not they know about their plans to expand into LJ.

They'll have to perk up if they do. "Live Jazz" until 3 pm???
People round here don't get up until 3 pm.

 

[AlexH]

Is it:

"MY GOD! THE BIKES ARE BREEDING!"; or
"We've narrowly avoided a head on collision between a car and a bus"?

There are bikes all over the pavement and on the wrong side of CHL - the traffic lights for the junction have disappared! Where is all the traffic along CHL itself. How are southern cyclists going to make across to LR? Is it a real-life Frogger game? Squish.

 

[AlexH]

They've removed the road closure and cyclists from the other side of under the bridge and made it look all dark and unwelcoming, unlike the plan one where the road closure makes everything light and inviting!

Oh and they removed the car, they're not welcome!

And the traffic lights, and the traffic along CHL (all vanished apparently). Please pray for me as I attempt to cycle across from Hinton Road to get to the idyll of LR itself. Maybe I'll just have to dash across, hopefully no pedestrians in the way....

 

[AlexH]

I think he's an outreach worker from the Maudsley the white coat bloke.

No presumably it's to show how he will now get to work.

 

[snowy_again]

There are bikes all over the pavement and on the wrong side of CHL

There's one bike on the pavement where someone isn't cycling and appears to have stopped to use their phone.

 

[critical1]

Various versions of the promo image will have been sent to them by the designers at various stages of the development process and someone will have saved them in a chaotic filing system, or not at all.

So, when they were putting together the flyer, some council officer will have been asked "can you find the promo image for that Loughborough Junction scheme" and they will have looked into that chaotic filing system and taken something at random which may or may not be the latest version.

They might even have retrieved the image as an attachment to an email sent two years ago which says "please don't use this image for publication as it's just a preliminary version".

At least they have managed not to print some kind of pixelated or distorted disaster by failing to understand image resolution or proportional scaling. These are common fates for carefully crafted presentation images once out of the originator's control.

More like Chaotic Lambeth yet again if the above is to be believed...

 

[CH1]

I think he's an outreach worker from the Maudsley the white coat bloke.

They don't do that now. Patients have to present at A & E [I could get the appropriate documents from Lambeth's website, but that would be tedious. The Councillor responsible for monitoring this is James Chadderton Dixon (Herne Hill). I'm not sure that it was him who introduced it though. That could even have been Donatus Anyanwu (Coldharbour) though doubtless he was implementing Labour cuts (i.e. rationalisation) policy at the time either national or local.

Raw nerve. Emergency clinic. Dead. Like some patients. I'm sure Dexter would agree if he wasn't calling me a Tory.

 

[ChrisSouth]

Look! Spot the difference.. top one is the image from todays' leaflet, bottom one is from the plan..

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The fuckers have changed their font on the bridge. Crazy!

 

[concerned1]

LMAO I really hope Cllr Brathwaite, George Wright and co all see this leaflet and all the above dissection
of it.
Does the word junction even apply according to this picture? I notice the Bill board has reappeared so the new proposed build has vanished. Someone must have objected and Planning rejected the plans.

 

[bimble]

The fuckers have changed their font on the bridge. Crazy!

Exactly! They've gotten all bold about it. At least its stopped being bright pink.

 

[bimble]

This is a very careful response I got today to a question about the police's position with regard to publicisisng their views on the experiment

 

[teuchter]

Does the word junction even apply according to this picture?

We have been through this already. I thought we might have achieved a Learning Outcome but it seems not.

 

[Rupert]

The fuckers have changed their font on the bridge. Crazy!

more interestingly/worryingly they have removed the Bus and the parked? car + added 2 cyclists

 

[critical1]

oh yeah. No lamp post in today's one. Looks like we've gained a big black chimney type thing above the estate though?

Thats the CCTV on the stick I think, it's been poorly photo edited.

 

[critical1]

The new shop in the plan has always been the brewtique (this bit where it looks like someone lost in Shoreditch).

but I never expected it to actually exist already, an 'artisan bottled beer shop' .. in Macclesfield. Brewtique
I'm enquiring whether or not they know about their plans to expand into LJ.

The real deal even has tables and chairs outside, looks great eh!


If this is the type of image and ethos used to support the closures.. Why would you not think GENTRIFICATION?

 

[bimble]

The real deal even has tables and chairs outside, looks great eh!


If this is the type of image and ethos used to support the closures.. Why would you not think GENTRIFICATION?

I haven't heard back yet from the owners of the actual Brewtique as to whether or not they authorised Lambeth Council to use their logo etc but it is clear that they are a sock free environment. No socks lots of bunting. That's where we're headed people.

 

[critical1]

And just a short reminder... in case anyone gets the hump about allegations of GENTRIFICATION or are in DENIAL...

The working class Council tenants were NOT leafletted about the consultation for Road closures
The working class Council tenants did NOT have their petition against the proposed road closures accepted by the Council
The working class Council tenants were NOT allowed to speak at the Call In by the Overview and Scrutiny Panel
The working class Council tenants were NOT told about the car free event last Saturday and the consultation for a "Parklet"
The working class Council tenants are NOT the only people who are angry,upset, worried, stressed etc about the road closures it is all classes, all ages.

 

[Gramsci]

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[CH1]

Last leaflet I got from Loughborough Junction Road Madness says:
"Today the ROADS"
"Tomorrow your homes"
Implies gentrification is the issue.
At last meeting I went to definitely residents of the Loughborough Estate were thinking the road closures were part of process of gentrification.
Comments I heard were to the best of my memory were "they" (LJAG and the middle classes) want us out, they want to close road so they can drink cappuccinos for example on the closed off square.
To say that LJ road madness is not using the gentrification issue is disingenuous.
To clarify I think the underlying issue is gentrification.
Having talked to people on the estate that’s what they say. And I agree its the big issue for LJ.

Notwithstanding that I am a firm advocate of roads being used for their intended purpose, I would go further than Gramsci on this

To say "today the roads, tomorrow your homes" is UKIP style demagoguey. (or worse - I was thinking about the Smethwick quote, but I expect no-one reading this knows what I mean fortunately).

I think the leaflet was strongly stated, but went over the top in that particular statement. As a liberal I like things kept honest and reasonable.

The Cressingham Gardens campaign need your help - not being used as a tool to frighten Loughborough residents over road closures.
If Cressingham Gardens push back against the council's plans successfully that helps Loughborough. If Cressingham Gardens cannot stop the council's current plans that sets back Loughborough a lot more than any barmy road scheme.

 

[Gramsci]

Notwithstanding that I am a firm advocate of roads being used for their intended purpose, I would go further than Gramsci on this

To say "today the roads, tomorrow your homes" is UKIP style demagoguey. (or worse - I was thinking about the Smethwick quote, but I expect no-one reading this knows what I mean fortunately).

I think the leaflet was strongly stated, but went over the top in that particular statement. As a liberal I like things kept honest and reasonable.

The Cressingham Gardens campaign need your help - not being used as a tool to frighten Loughborough residents over road closures.
If Cressingham Gardens push back against the council's plans successfully that helps Loughborough. If Cressingham Gardens cannot stop the council's current plans that sets back Loughborough a lot more than any barmy road scheme.

I have only been catching up on this thread as my computer died for last week or so. Back on life support.

Deleted original post as on closer reading it now appears the "Friends of LJ" are not the same as LJ Road Madness.

I haven’t read this thread for a week and come back to find all this really getting nasty.

Also disheartening to now see , after just catching up, that appears some posters are now moved to oppose traffic reduction.

Really would like LJ Road Madness campaign to disassociate themselves from this leaflet if they think its wrong. As the impression I got from talking to supporters is that gentrification and middle class LJAG are an issue for them- linked to road closures as an aspect of that.

Not sure what u mean by Cressingham needing my help.

Im only repeating what local Council tenants on estate say to me. Its not a "tool used to frighten LJ residents". Its what LJ Estate Council tenants have said to me. The ones Ive talked to (correctly imo) see Council housing as under threat. They also link this road closure project to gentrication. They see Pop and whats happening to Brixton as what could happen to LJ. The Council tenants Ive talked to are well aware of whats happening in Lambeth in other areas of it. I hardly need to use Cressingham as "tool to frighten them" they know what its all about. Its Council estate residents of the Estate who go onto me about Pop- not me who brings it up.

 

[CH1]

I haven’t read this thread for a week and come back to find all this really getting nasty.
Not sure what u mean by Cressingham needing my help.
Im only repeating what local Council tenants on estate say to me. Its not a "tool used to frighten LJ residents". Its what LJ Estate Council tenants have said to me. The ones Ive talked to (correctly imo) see Council housing as under threat. They also link this road closure project. They see Pop and whats happening to Brixton as what could happen to LJ. The Council tenants Ive talked to are well aware of whats happening in Lambeth in other areas of it.

I mean that the people putting out the leaflet should be supporting Cressingham not suggesting that the road closure is a prelude to a Cressingham situation in order to alarm Loughborough Estate residents into linking these separate issues.

There is a danger that this thread could degenerate into a Pop Brixton thread. But I don't think so. It is on a very specific issue and the issue is still subject to democratic decision ( one hopes). And I don't think people have been personally abusive.

 

[Gramsci]

I mean that the people putting out the leaflet should be supporting Cressingham not suggesting that the road closure is a prelude to a Cressingham situation in order to alarm Loughborough Estate residents into linking these separate issues.

There is a danger that this thread could degenerate into a Pop Brixton thread. But I don't think so. It is on a very specific issue and the issue is still subject to democratic decision ( one hopes). And I don't think people have been personally abusive.

Not how I see it.

But I am going on my off line conversations with locals from the Council estate. One of the more positive things is the dislike of Pop thats voiced. Without me bringing it up. As some of us have repeatedly said on Pop thread - that people on estates aren’t happy with Pop. And been not believed.

I don’t see it as specific issue. There are a whole host of issues in this road closure "experiment". As the arguments/ discussion on this thread show.

 

[bimble]

The Brewtique in Macclesfield is presently undecided about whether to be annoyed or flattered by being transplanted into LJ.

 

[critical1]

I want to live in Milton Keynes....

 

[bimble]

I want to live in Milton Keynes....

It's not come to that yet surely. I do remember watching this as a kid and thinking it looked great

 

[Burn:Cycle]

It's not come to that yet surely. I do remember watching this as a kid and thinking it looked great

Great. forgotten that.
Reminds me of our school trip to MK done as part of our O Level Geography syllabus....was around the same time.

 

[concerned1]

The response to LJAG by Lib Peck:

The review will also take into account;

· Traffic survey counts (including speed and volume surveys from 23 locations, and video surveys at six locations to assess the changes in volumes of motor traffic and cycling)

· Review of traffic flows (using the Council’s CCTV system to carry out a review of traffic flows on the key route of Coldharbour Lane.)

· Review of road safety issues

· Feedback from emergency services and King’s College Hospital

· Feedback from TfL

· Feedback from Southwark Council

· Feedback from Lambeth Cyclists

· A summary of all representations sent as part of the statutory consultation

· Evidence of impact on businesses (via face to face consultation by the Stockwell Partnership, including the business survey mentioned earlier)

· Evidence of impact on residents (via the ongoing Stockwell Partnership engagement)

· Analysis of crime data

The final decision on whether to proceed will be made by the Cabinet Member and will be based on a comprehensive report which will include officer recommendations. It is hoped that this will be available by mid-November and all evidence collected, as well as the full report, will be published openly online.

Well this sounds very democratic thousands of people have signed an online and a paper petition and have emailed in thousands of emails to the Cllrs, MP's, Officers and ljroadmadness and they are going to take feedback of 100 survey's gathered on the street ..... what business survey earlier? odd how the emergency services do not seem to have had any actual consultations with Lambeth Council, review of cctv systems of traffic flow huh? crime data based on what? more porkie pies?

 

[critical1]

It's not come to that yet surely. I do remember watching this as a kid and thinking it looked great

I rmember this Lambeth was promoting this heavily to residents... I always thought life was better there, but alas was not to be... Now I've been there it was a good thing I didnt go..

 

[critical1]

The response to LJAG by Lib Peck:

The review will also take into account;

· Traffic survey counts (including speed and volume surveys from 23 locations, and video surveys at six locations to assess the changes in volumes of motor traffic and cycling)

· Review of traffic flows (using the Council’s CCTV system to carry out a review of traffic flows on the key route of Coldharbour Lane.)........

Well this sounds very democratic thousands of people have signed an online and a paper petition and have emailed in thousands of emails to the Cllrs, MP's, Officers and ljroadmadness and they are going to take feedback of 100 survey's gathered on the street ..... what business survey earlier? odd how the emergency services do not seem to have had any actual consultations with Lambeth Council, review of cctv systems of traffic flow huh? crime data based on what? more porkie pies?

There area LOT more to come.. Lambeth likes making Pork Pies, just ask Kate Hoey MP.