Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins

[CH1]

Or instead of that, we could just stick with Crispy's suggestion, which would work just fine.

What put me off about that was the council just narrowed the road (or haven't you been paying attention?)

Now you both want them to widen the road.

I can't afford this type of profligacy. Or would you prefer me to move out and leave the place to you (who apparently don't even live here).

 

[cuppa tee]

So schemes to diminish car use are actually designed to keep people buying cars. Makes complete sense. It's a false-flag operation by the cyclo-nazis, or something.

the figures are in this posted earlier in the thread........

New 65-plate takes UK new car registrations to September record - SMMT

Gains were made across all market sectors – private, fleet and business – while petrol, diesel and alternatively-fuelled vehicles all saw increased demand. In line with typical performance so far this year, registrations of diesel and petrol cars in September grew 4.1% and 12.3% respectively, and alternatively-fuelled vehicles (AFVs) recorded another strong month with volumes up 21.7%. This puts total year-to-date growth at 3.1% for diesel, 9.5% for petrol and 48.7% for AFVs.

 

[LadyV]

10' is 3048mm
3m lanes are standard.

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That'd be 9m minimum. 9.5m ideal.

Slight flaw in the

I got a reply from the same person when I emailed in with my objections to the closure scheme.

Ditto, generic copy and paste job, didn't address any of the other questions, I had asked. Probably got a temp into clear everything

 

[LadyV]

So a question where are the so called 11000 leaflets George Wright and Ian Baker said were going out last week as part of the review process ???

None delivered to Styles Gardens as of today, we'll probably get them on Saturday 7th and then it's our fault that we missed the survey!

 

[LadyV]

What put me off about that was the council just narrowed the road (or haven't you been paying attention?)

Now you both want them to widen the road.

I can't afford this type of profligacy. Or would you prefer me to move out and leave the place to you (who apparently don't even live here).

Well without all the car users to pay road tax, tax on petrol, tax on insurance etc etc, they'll be bugger all money to do this kind of thing anyway. It's all very demonising car users but they keep a hell of a lot of people in work and they contribute a good amount to the economy but that gets forgotten.

 

[snowy_again]

Winston Churchill cancelled 'road tax'.

The rest of road building is paid by general taxation.

 

[teuchter]

Just leaving this here to enrage the petrol-heads

Now we can spend the next 400 pages arguing about how to put a cost on those externalities.

 

[Burn:Cycle]

Maybe LadyV is alluding to the fact that companies involved in the various motor trades (design / research / manufacturing / distribution / servicing / etc... etc...) also pay Corporation Tax. They also employ staff who pay Income Tax / NI etc... etc.... . Oh, and to fan the flames of this argument we could also take a view on the Oil industry and the taxes raised in the extraction and production of fuel.... and their employees.

That must be worth another 400 pages...

 

[Crispy]

Now you both want them to widen the road.

There's no need to widen it, just get rid of the parking. PS I used to live in the area, so know it pretty well.

 

[bimble]

3 to 5 billion in Noise Amenity?

 

[bimble]

Ditto, generic copy and paste job, didn't address any of the other questions, I had asked. Probably got a temp into clear everything

By clear do you mean throw in the bin?

 

[bimble]

teuchter made me find this. It's an absolute gem. A film from 1945 explaining the Abercrombie Plan for redesigning London.
If you have no patience, the bit about roads is at 19.30 but it's the best public information film i've ever seen.

The Proud City - YouTube"

 

[CH1]

There's no need to widen it, just get rid of the parking. PS I used to live in the area, so know it pretty well.

When I moved here there were no restrictions on parking at all. That was brought in for the benefit of the lady at 306 (in the late 1980s) who wanted to park her MG outside HER house. The family moved to Southwark about 10 years later.

Now you want to abolish our parking and you don't even live in the area. When I moved here that was called fuckry!

 

[Crispy]

*shrug* I lived in the area a few years ago. I didn't need parking then. I now live further away from a bus stop/station than I did, have a child and I still don't need parking. It's not hard.

 

[CH1]

*shrug* I lived in the area a few years ago. I didn't need parking then. I now live further away from a bus stop/station than I did, have a child and I still don't need parking. It's not hard.

Its not hard but people have territorial rights IMHO.

 

[bimble]

Its not hard but people have territorial rights IMHO.

Too many people here I think (using CHL) for a very few of them to assert territorial rights over such big chunks of it.

 

[critical1]

teuchter made me find this. It's an absolute gem. A film from 1945 explaining the Abercrombie Plan for redesigning London.
If you have no patience, the bit about roads is at 19.30 but it's the best public information film i've ever seen.

The Proud City - YouTube"

The LCC & GLC were a thing " We must reduce the number of people and industries in the capitals congested areas" @22:50

 

[bimble]

The LCC & GLC were a thing " We must reduce the number of people and industries in the capitals congested areas" @22:50

I know! Did you watch the bit at the beginning about how they did their research before coming up with the great big plan to tidy the whole place up?

 

[teuchter]

Its not hard but people have territorial rights IMHO.

Nobody has territorial rights over the public highway IMHO. The clue being in the word "public".

 

[Burn:Cycle]

Nobody has territorial rights over the public highway IMHO. The clue being in the word "public".

On that basis Teuchter, the highway should open to all - for free passage using whichever (legal) mode of transport the individual chooses. You can't have it both ways.
That also means no road closures.

 

[CH1]

Nobody has territorial rights over the public highway IMHO. The clue being in the word "public".

If it is made illegal to park on a road anywhere in Brixton/London/UK/Europe I will agree with you.
Meanwhile you encourage the traffic engineers to "disrupt" traffic for the common good and when that causes mayhem you pick off vulnerable spots to tell them they can no longer have full and proper access to their properties.

Tell that to the the oligarchs in Bishops Avenue you Stalinist. Don't preach to me - and tell me I must give up the right to be visited by British Gas or whoever.

 

[Crispy]

If it is made illegal to park on a road anywhere in Brixton/London/UK/Europe I will agree with you.

 

[CH1]

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Look at the state of the road BTW

 

[AlexH]

Walton Lodge planning application recommended for approval with 13 private flats and zero social or affordable housing

So, here we have the G word again. When the demolition and construction begins CHL will be gridlocked with lorries and plant etc. Not the peaceful country idyll imagined by some posters on this thread.

 

[teuchter]

On that basis Teuchter, the highway should open to all - for free passage using whichever (legal) mode of transport the individual chooses. You can't have it both ways.
That also means no road closures.

If a road is pedestrianised, it is open to all, using whichever legal mode of transport the individual chooses. In that instance a motor vehicle is not a legal mode of transport. The road is not closed to the driver of the vehicle. It is only the vehicle which is restricted.

On the other hand a road with motor traffic is not, in reality, open to all. Unless they want to risk their life they have to wait at designated points to get from one side to the other.

 

[teuchter]

If it is made illegal to park on a road anywhere in Brixton/London/UK/Europe I will agree with you.
Meanwhile you encourage the traffic engineers to "disrupt" traffic for the common good and when that causes mayhem you pick off vulnerable spots to tell them they can no longer have full and proper access to their properties.

Tell that to the the oligarchs in Bishops Avenue you Stalinist. Don't preach to me - and tell me I must give up the right to be visited by British Gas or whoever.

I'm not telling you you must give up the right to be visited by British Gas. It's already been explained that it's perfectly possible to provide designated loading bays for exactly this purpose. Your problem is an imaginary one.

 

[LadyV]

Maybe LadyV is alluding to the fact that companies involved in the various motor trades (design / research / manufacturing / distribution / servicing / etc... etc...) also pay Corporation Tax. They also employ staff who pay Income Tax / NI etc... etc.... . Oh, and to fan the flames of this argument we could also take a view on the Oil industry and the taxes raised in the extraction and production of fuel.... and their employees.

That must be worth another 400 pages...

Exactly! Look at some of the local business in LJ, car repair shops, petrol stations, car wash etc etc, without the cars on the road, these wouldn't survive

 

[CH1]

I'm not telling you you must give up the right to be visited by British Gas. It's already been explained that it's perfectly possible to provide designated loading bays for exactly this purpose. Your problem is an imaginary one.

Yesterday evening it got to no parking at all.
IMHO the first priority is to sort out the Herne Hill Road traffic light situation. If the road maintenance contracts weren't on Cost Plus - as if building a nuclear power station - that would have been done weeks ago anyway.
Next evaluate the true impact of Loughborough Road closure.
And fuck off taking away parking outside my house.

Meanwhile I am still a true believer in free access to Loughborough Road. And I also believe that a proper referendum in Loughborough Estate on access to THEIR road would be overwhelmingly in favour of it being OPEN.

 

[bimble]

This just in from Zuber Bulbulia:




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[Crispy]

Exactly! Look at some of the local business in LJ, car repair shops, petrol stations, car wash etc etc, without the cars on the road, these wouldn't survive

Won't somebody think of the blacksmiths and saddle makers?