Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins

[teuchter]

No problem at all. Although one-sided bus lanes are more appropriate for radial routes (where the morning peak is more concentrated than the evening one). CHL is orbital and equally busy in both directions.

Yes, but you can use short stretches of them upstream of traffic lights to allow buses to bypass queuing traffic. In which case they only need to be on one side at a time.

 

[Crispy]

Yes, but you can use short stretches of them upstream of traffic lights to allow buses to bypass queuing traffic. In which case they only need to be on one side at a time.

Interesting. Are there any real world examples of such a layout?

 

[teuchter]

If you look at the amazing ( NOT) planters built, I take it by LJAG'ers and that now reside along the front of the entrance to Loughborough Junction Station, they have in them assorted weeds amongst odd plants, black soot on their leaves, and most are in decay, who is taking care of them?
The ones at the front of the shops by the Hero of Switzerland, rubbish and weeds fill them, one is falling apart, the ones at the front of Loughborough Primary School, huge array of very tall weeds and some very long thorns on some nasty looking thing. You have to know projects like this can be maintained and by who and at what cost. These pop parks might seem a great idea to a few but they take working bodies to upkeep them. Free working bodies! As for Acorn well they had the feel of a suspicious sect from the USA. COMMUNITY ORGANISING FOR SOCIAL CHANGE you have to pay to be a volunteer with them!

I agree that these things need a long term maintenance plan in order to be successful. Not sure what this has to do with road closures though.

 

[teuchter]

Interesting. Are there any real world examples of such a layout?

Fairly sure I see this around London quite a bit, unless I am imagining things.

 

[cuppa tee]

Job's a good 'un!

yes, except modern cars are not easy to recycle, lots of plastic, electrics and silicon chips so all scrapping them does Ishift your problem elsewhere, in fact the need to keep people keeping buying cars is part of the whole capitalist ethos, as are most of the schemes designed to relieve congestion, dig beneath the pr and sooner or later you will find a hedge fund or multinational or both making money from it.....

 

[teuchter]

Fairly sure I see this around London quite a bit, unless I am imagining things.

Two examples between Camberwell and Peckham -



In fact looking at the stretch of road between C'well and Peckham (effectively a continuation of CHL) I realise it is free of parking, and has bike and bus lanes along its length. If it works there it ought to work for CHL.

 

[teuchter]

yes, except modern cars are not easy to recycle, lots of plastic, electrics and silicon chips so all scrapping them does Ishift your problem elsewhere, in fact the need to keep people keeping buying cars is part of the whole capitalist ethos, as are most of the schemes designed to relieve congestion, dig beneath the pr and sooner or later you will find a hedge fund or multinational or both making money from it.....

So schemes to diminish car use are actually designed to keep people buying cars. Makes complete sense. It's a false-flag operation by the cyclo-nazis, or something.

 

[Crispy]

Derp, I thought you were describing something much more complicated
Yep, that'd work well on CHL. Although I'd prefer cycle lanes (having cycled that road to Peckham, it's horrible).

 

[teuchter]

Derp, I thought you were describing something much more complicated
Yep, that'd work well on CHL. Although I'd prefer cycle lanes (having cycled that road to Peckham, it's horrible).

I think that cycling should be prioritised over private car use but not over public transport. So if there's an issue with buses being held up, then bus lanes are more important than cycle lanes.

 

[bimble]

I like this idea. Only not sure about shaving bits off the pavement to make more road (some parts of CHL have reasonable width pavements but some are narrow as it is.
Don't get me started on the giant advertising billboards we have, placed right in the centre of the pavement taking up half the width of it.

 

[Crispy]

I think that cycling should be prioritised over private car use but not over public transport. So if there's an issue with buses being held up, then bus lanes are more important than cycle lanes.

Yes, you're right of course.

 

[Crispy]

I like this idea. Only not sure about shaving bits off the pavement to make more road

Only necessary at bus stops and loading bays.
EDIT: Except at that pinch point under the bridge. Nasty one that.

 

[concerned1]

So a question where are the so called 11000 leaflets George Wright and Ian Baker said were going out last week as part of the review process ???

 

[irf520]

So a question where are the so called 11000 leaflets George Wright and Ian Baker said were going out last week as part of the review process ???

Probably in the same place as the 11000 letters supposedly sent out for the original "consultation".

 

[bimble]

So a question where are the so called 11000 leaflets George Wright and Ian Baker said were going out last week as part of the review process ???

No answer at all to polite emails asking that question (sent Monday and again yesterday to all likely addresses).

 

[critical1]

So a question where are the so called 11000 leaflets George Wright and Ian Baker said were going out last week as part of the review process ???

 

[bimble]

I don't think laziness quite covers it, but maybe I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist.

 

[concerned1]

Another thing came to mind this morning about the survey on survey monkey it goes by your IP address so most households, businesses etc share the same Internet provider therefore the same IP addresse so once one person has filled it in no one else in the business, home etc can fill it in..... this means again Lambeth NOT giving everyone who wants to take part to be able to do so.

 

[concerned1]

so lies do grow noses

 

[bimble]

I don't know if it's lying or just incompetence on an industrial scale. It does drive me a bit mad that there is nobody at the cooperative council with a phone number you can call and ask such an important question to.

 

[bimble]

Just wow. This is the response I just got from todays email to all known relevant people asking the same thing (where are the 11,000 leaflets) . This is the very first response I've had from anyone and it's this, from someone called Bulbulia, who doesn't even have an inbox.

 

[irf520]

Just wow. This is the response I just got from todays email to all known relevant people asking the same thing (where are the 11,000 leaflets) . This is the very first response I've had from anyone and it's this, from someone called Bulbulia, who doesn't even have an inbox.



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I got a reply from the same person when I emailed in with my objections to the closure scheme.

 

[bimble]

She must be in charge of the bottomless pit / recycling bin into which correspondence relating to this now gets diverted.

 

[critical1]

Only necessary at bus stops and loading bays.
EDIT: Except at that pinch point under the bridge. Nasty one that.

LJAG & GW was overheard, I remember distinctly hearing them say that they would be installing a mirror at that blind spot.. Not seen that as yet.

 

[CH1]

I got out my OS maps of Brixton and measured the carriageway. Coldharbour lane is a 9-10m wide road, kerb-to-kerb, with the potential to grab another 1.5m from the pavements if they're narrowed to the 2m minimum.

You are onto something here. You could abolish pavement altogether on my side. A rope walkway could run from the delapidated house at 316 Coldharbour eastwards round under the bridge as far as the de-licensed Brew shop near the corner of Lougborough Road. Tescos would have to relocate their entrance into Belinda Road - accessed via the closed arch on Ridgway Road.

The houses on Coldharbour could access the walkway at first floor level (as per the now demolished Angell Town walkway system). All wheelie bins would remain at ground level in the gutter - sharing spaces with parked cars and Tesco online service vehicles.

Additionally the situation on the south (posh) side should be reviewed. Much freehold land there is in council ownership. Many of the back gardens were confiscated to build Heritage Close. The front gardens should be used to widen the road - obviously with minimum compensation for entryists.

That would solve the problem of the £1.15 million house with 3 Mercs outside where they mount the pavement to access their garden for illegal parking purposes.

It would also solve editor's problem of the car wash outside the barrier bock. That could be reclaimed as part of the road widening scheme.

All in all it could be back to the Abercrombie Ringway 1 scheme.

Now what were they going to do about the railways???

 

[CH1]

Has everyone done the online survey then? I notice that exactly half the 14 questions were about monitoring matters (meaning black/disabed etc).

I can't remember the questions - I should have printed it out. But wait - I have 2 computers on one router here and the second one is letting me into the survey, even though the first is saying "You have done this survey"

So you know now - go in and delete your cookies and you can take the survey over and over again.

 

[teuchter]

You are onto something here. You could abolish pavement altogether on my side. A rope walkway could run from the delapidated house at 316 Coldharbour eastwards round under the bridge as far as the de-licensed Brew shop near the corner of Lougborough Road. Tescos would have to relocate their entrance into Belinda Road - accessed via the closed arch on Ridgway Road.
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The houses on Coldharbour could access the walkway at first floor level (as per the now demolished Angell Town walkway system). All wheelie bins would remain at ground level in the gutter - sharing spaces with parked cars and Tesco online service vehicles.

Additionally the situation on the south (posh) side should be reviewed. Much freehold land there is in council ownership. Many of the back gardens were confiscated to build Heritage Close. The front gardens should be used to widen the road - obviously with minimum compensation for entryists.

That would solve the problem of the £1.15 million house with 3 Mercs outside where they mount the pavement to access their garden for illegal parking purposes.

It would also solve editor's problem of the car wash outside the barrier bock. That could be reclaimed as part of the road widening scheme.

All in all it could be back to the Abercrombie Ringway 1 scheme.

Now what were they going to do about the railways???

Or instead of that, we could just stick with Crispy's suggestion, which would work just fine.

 

[Crispy]

Although given the weight of bus traffic, alternating bus lanes might be a better use of space (and would require no pavement alterations)

EDIT: A decent alternative cycle route could be made via Ridgway, Millbrook, Barrington and Brixton Station Roads. If continuous lanes were marked and it was well signed, I think it could be quite popular.

 

[critical1]

Has everyone done the online survey then? I notice that exactly half the 14 questions were about monitoring matters (meaning black/disabed etc).

I can't remember the questions - I should have printed it out. But wait - I have 2 computers on one router here and the second one is letting me into the survey, even though the first is saying "You have done this survey"

So you know now - go in and delete your cookies and you can take the survey over and over again.

You dont really want to do that they call it "Honey Pot Trapping"
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[CH1]

You dont really want to do that they call it "Honey Pot Trapping"
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Blood hell clocks your browser and everything! Can't be many people on Opera 12.16 these days.