Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins

[concerned1]

Talk about in denial that this scheme is a complete fiasco and should be scrapped immediately.
If every single vehicle obeyed the road signs there would be a worse nightmare on CHL, Brixton Road and Camberwell New Road.
All the small side roads that are now F1 mini circuits would be at a standstill.
People like you teuchter are rare thank goodness.
In fact I have changed my mind about you being in LJAG.

 

[teuchter]

Specifically which side roads are the F1 mini circuits?

 

[bimble]

This looks.. exactly how you'd expect it to look (this is what's coming to the corner of Rathgar Rd. )
Nice convenient 3 hour 'consultation' coming up on Monday, ending 6pm..

 

[bimble]

I have a new teuchter theory:
Maybe teuchter is actually a computer algorithm, a simulation, quite simple in its programming but effective in its function (ie to doggedly repeat that the results of the official process must be awaited and to respond to any assertions with a request for official evidence). It gets stuck when direct questions are asked but resets to automatic after an hour or so.
Could it be that Lambeth council's IT department - whilst unable to upload a simple questionnaire to their website - have managed to construct a fairly convincing AI chat machine?

 

[irf520]

I have a new teuchter theory:
Maybe teuchter is actually a computer algorithm, a simulation, quite simple in its programming but effective in its function (ie to doggedly repeat that the results of the official process must be awaited and to respond to any assertions with a request for official evidence). It gets stuck when direct questions are asked but resets to automatic after an hour or so.
Could it be that Lambeth council's IT department - whilst unable to upload a simple questionnaire to their website - have managed to construct a fairly convincing AI chat machine?

Or maybe he's one of them there gentrificators ...

 

[Angellic]

This looks.. exactly how you'd expect it to look (this is what's coming to the corner of Rathgar Rd. )
Nice convenient 3 hour 'consultation' coming up on Monday, ending 6pm..
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LJAG have requested an extension till to 9pm and another consultation at the weekend.

 

[teuchter]

It gets stuck when direct questions are asked

Which direct questions remain unanswered?

 

[bimble]

LJAG have requested an extension till to 9pm and another consultation at the weekend.

That's good. I hope the architects agree to that, I'd go have a look. But in truth can't imagine what difference it would make how many people get to see & comment on the plans, I mean there will be flats and there will be plate glass on the bottom and balconies above etc?

 

[bimble]

Which direct questions remain unanswered?

hello. I don't feel like scrolling back through everything just now but.. an example:
You've said that it's an "incorrect statement' to say you are happy with the methods being used by the council to compile their evaluation report. At the same time you still appear to maintain that nothing but the official report should be given any credence when trying to judge whether this scheme is a success or a failure. How does this work?

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[concerned1]

There will be more people wanting to drink coffee whilst sitting at table and chairs on Loughborough Road just like Stockwell space

 

[bimble]

There will be more people wanting to drink coffee whilst sitting at table and chairs on Loughborough Road just like Stockwell space

That's not coffee.. that's a can of Polish lager.

oh, which reminds me: Had another chat with local police today, and one them said the public space idea is all nice and everything but his personal feeling was that (HIS words not mine ) it depends whether its local residents or drug dealers who decide to make use of it. He was not pro the closures, as none of the officers I have met have been so far.

 

[irf520]

Those flats should have a good view of all the railway lines. And the car breakers, although presumably the latter will have been expelled from the area by the time the flats are built.

 

[concerned1]

Specifically which side roads are the F1 mini circuits?

Between Harris and Howard House on Loughborough Estate, St James's Crescent, Angell Road, Fyfield Road, Minet Road.

 

[irf520]

I wonder why "the views of the community that lives and work in the local area" should be "important to them". I can't really see why those views would make any difference. They build a block of flats, sell them for an extortionate price, job done.

 

[concerned1]

More congestion for CHL with all the extra transport to supply the building of the new flats!

 

[bimble]

I wonder why "the views of the community that lives and work in the local area" should be "important to them". I can't really see why those views would make any difference. They build a block of flats, sell them for an extortionate price, job done.

Of course. The views of the local community being important to them is probably some sort of a legal thing you have to do, preferably in 3 hours tops.

 

[irf520]

More congestion for CHL with all the extra transport to supply the building of the new flats!

Absolutely. And don't forget the Higgs development as well.

 

[prunus]

I wonder why "the views of the community that lives and work in the local area" should be "important to them". I can't really see why those views would make any difference. They build a block of flats, sell them for an extortionate price, job done.

Yeah you're right. The best thing for you to do would be to not engage with them at all, then gripe post about the results. Ffs.

 

[teuchter]

hello. I don't feel like scrolling back through everything just now but.. an example:
You've said that it's an "incorrect statement' to say you are happy with the methods being used by the council to compile their evaluation report. At the same time you still appear to maintain that nothing but the official report should be given any credence when trying to judge whether this scheme is a success or a failure. How does this work?

This is not a direct question. This is a misrepresentation of my position, specifically the bit in bold. Would you like to apologise?

 

[bimble]

Yeah you're right. The best thing for you to do would be to not engage with them at all, then gripe post about the results. Ffs.

Those flats, those architects, yes people should try to engage if they can of course.

The problem I'm having at the moment is the complete failure of anybody at the cooperative council to engage back to me, who is trying really really hard, with numerous polite emails requesting the most simple of things, ie. where please is the official qualitative consultation questionnaire, given that we are halfway through the research period now and one week to go.

 

[bimble]

This is not a direct question. This is a misrepresentation of my position, specifically the bit in bold. Would you like to apologise?

You emboldened it for me? thanks.

 

[teuchter]

You emboldened it for me? thanks.

No apology then?

 

[bimble]

This is not a direct question. This is a misrepresentation of my position, specifically the bit in bold. Would you like to apologise?

ok, can't resist. It's like pushing the frontiers of human AI romance:

So, please explain Mr T: Apart from the official assessment of the experiment which will be published by Lambeth Council, what evidence would you admit as valid or worthy of consideration, when trying to ascertain whether this particular scheme is a success according to the criteria that matter to you?

 

[teuchter]

ok, can't resist. It's like pushing the frontiers of human AI romance:

So, please explain Mr T: Apart from the official assessment of the experiment which will be published by Lambeth Council, what evidence would you admit as valid or worthy of consideration, when trying to ascertain whether this particular scheme is a success according to the criteria that matter to you?

You want me to give you a full specification of all types of acceptable evidence that could possibly arise and the weighting I'd give each of them?

You said direct questions, not open-ended ones.

Why no apology? There's a direct question for you.

 

[bimble]

poor response, disappointed, your wires are showing.

 

[bimble]

ok. Give me ONE type of evidence (not "official") which you'd find worthy of a 37% weighting? x

 

[teuchter]

The petition might be somewhere in that region.

 

[CH1]

Specifically which side roads are the F1 mini circuits?

Don't know about that - but I was assisting someone this afternoon making deliveries. They picked me up in their car at my house - to make a first call at the Minet Library, then on to other points south (but not in LJ area).

I was passenger/postman and my driver local - but Stockwell side of Brixton not local to the arcane rules of the Loughborough Junction traffic exclusion zone.

I, a pedestrian/public transport user of more than 60 years standing, warned my driver friend to avoid the Loughborough road turning, which his pre-planned route was indicating.

We next tried Flaxman - me having forgotten bimble's comment in an earlier post that Flaxman is also blocked off. No indication of alternative routes at this junction - the only way is Eastlake - back onto Coldharbour Lane.

So we tried Lilford - again no entry by the former Robin Hood pub corner - have to go right into Kenwyn then Coldharbour Lane again.

Final try - Denmark Road, half in Southwark of course - but the only safe course. Proceed until under the railway bridge then travel the length of Paulet Road before turning again into Lilford Road (west of the railway) and then into Knatchbull Road for the Minet Library.

What a ludicrous performance. How "user friendly" is this? The Loughborough Estate area is well and truly kettled as people are complaining. Everyone keep out. Solidarity with Hungary. Victor Orban to speak at next LJAG GM.

I just felt frustrated that 10-15 minutes of our time was wasted because we hadn't taken an advanced course in teuchternomics!

Bahh humbug. Bastards. Bastards. Bastards. No heart attack, death in ambulance, but very very irritated.

 

[CH1]

Re above - there were oodles of measuring wires across all roads teuchter will be glad to hear.

 

[CH1]

There will be more people wanting to drink coffee whilst sitting at table and chairs on Loughborough Road just like Stockwell spaceView attachment 78464

We've got it like that at Harbour Place (outside the crack clinic). The are plans for outside the Brixton nick. It will be coffee and chairs on all pavements soon.