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Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins

Tenants Conference note Tenants NOT Residents, Leaseholders Conference in December.
Very poor turnout from both Tenants and Lambeth Officers/Cllrs.
Overall whole experience was a waste of time.

The theme was all about the New engagement Programme.
In the handout Priority 4 states: "It was clear from consultation and the STAR survey that the way we engage with residents isn't working."
Oh so they do know that.
In the Q's and A's at the end a tenant asked Why does Lambeth Council not have a Consultation Policy.
The response was basically they didn't know if they had one but they follow Goverment legislation etc etc blah blah.
 
bimble said:
Yes, agreed. It's just that when you get so many oversights all snowballing and colliding together it can make a person feel kind of despondent.

Like for instance (as far I understand it) there's now, if you count from Monday, either 4 or 5 days left for people to participate in the official qualitative evaluation process being carried out by SP and the questionnaire is nowhere to be found, with nobody either there or at Lambeth able to say when or where it will be put online.
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Well Steve doesn't work Mondays according to his out of office and Aga is out of the office until Wednesday so maybe she is out surveying people
 
CH1 said:
And of course they cannot put it online in the normal way if their website is down. Doesn't look like they will be able to do it either in the time left.
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Apparently it's never been part of the deal that the online survey goes on the Stockwell Partnership website, they write the questions and do the report but the survey goes on the Lambeth website.

This was the reply I got on Facebook when I asked about the survey

"Thanks for your post. Unfortunately the online element is not something we have control over, our role is the face to face surveys. The online survey is being handled by the council."

I just don't see how there can be any sort of constructive conclusion to all of this with another poorly implemented survey, this is not going to help things
 
LadyV said:
Apparently it's never been part of the deal that the online survey goes on the Stockwell Partnership website, they write the questions and do the report but the survey goes on the Lambeth website.

This was the reply I got on Facebook when I asked about the survey

"Thanks for your post. Unfortunately the online element is not something we have control over, our role is the face to face surveys. The online survey is being handled by the council."

I just don't see how there can be any sort of constructive conclusion to all of this with another poorly implemented survey, this is not going to help things
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We wait and see... Was actually waiting for our enlightened teacher "R" teuchter to add some insight as they seemed so knowledgeable, but as yet no comments as to this shambles.
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Email from the LJ neighbourhood planning forum this morning has this attached - someone put quite some time into it you can see..

It shows all the car accidents that have happened over the past decade on Loughborough Road, rated by their seriousness and shown as blobs of different sizes & colours. No accidents classed as more than 7 out of 10 for seriousness, which I found surprising, and only 4 of those.
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/c6783...ages/ee7127e0-ab73-45f1-8bda-465b633779ed.jpg

EDIT: just noticed the list they've attached which was used to make the coloured blobs. It includes incidents such as 'passenger fell over on bus'.
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/c678366a8fc275dc2daf27f88/files/LJAGCollisiondata_1_.pdf
 
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bimble said:
Email from the LJ neighbourhood planning forum this morning has this attached - someone put quite some time into it you can see..

It shows all the car accidents that have happened over the past decade on Loughborough Road, rated by their seriousness and shown as blobs of different sizes & colours. No accidents classed as more than 7 out of 10 for seriousness, which I found surprising, and only 4 of those.

just noticed the list they've attached which was used to make the coloured blobs. It includes incidents such as 'passenger fell over on bus'.
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From what I have quickly glanced it looks like Loughborough Junction should be shut and Brixton Road... It was interesting to note that a lot of passengers on buses got injured and that most are due to CARELESS/RECKLESS/IN A HURRY... the dates also give a clue so in 2005 till about 2010 period a lot 2014-15 on the last 2 pages a lot less accidents or reports and I notice FAILED TO LOOK PROPERLY

LOL thats so funny I know the person who fell off the bus at LJ, apparently she was so drunk and went home with a broken arm, woke up in agony the next morning after the drink induced pain killer wore off... Broken rotator pretty painful by all accounts.
 
bimble said:
Email from the LJ neighbourhood planning forum this morning has this attached - someone put quite some time into it you can see..

It shows all the car accidents that have happened over the past decade on Loughborough Road, rated by their seriousness and shown as blobs of different sizes & colours. No accidents classed as more than 7 out of 10 for seriousness, which I found surprising, and only 4 of those.
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/c6783...ages/ee7127e0-ab73-45f1-8bda-465b633779ed.jpg

EDIT: just noticed the list they've attached which was used to make the coloured blobs. It includes incidents such as 'passenger fell over on bus'.
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/c678366a8fc275dc2daf27f88/files/LJAGCollisiondata_1_.pdf
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Haven't gone through it all yet - but it looks as though half the accidents are at Brixton Road/Loughborough Road and the associated nightmare stretch of Loughboroiugh Road unaffected buy the experiment.

Most of the remainder appear associated with the junction between Hinton Road and Coldharbour Lane.

Seems like the solution to accidents is to close the least affected part.
 
CH1 said:
Liked this bit:
Councillor Rachel Heywood said that she and Councillor Parr would continue to ask the
leader of the council and the cabinet member responsible, Councillor Brathwaite, for a quick
decision and there had been no proper consultation before the scheme was implemented.
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This bit not so good:

" Councillor Matt Parr asked what the decision-making process would be once the information was gathered."

"Ian Baker explained that the decision on the road closures would be taken by Councillor Jenny Brathwaite alone, unless there was a call-in by councillors to the Overview and Scrutiny committee"

Is that happening? Does it have to be called in all over again?
 
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CH1 said:
Liked this bit:
Councillor Rachel Heywood said that she and Councillor Parr would continue to ask the
leader of the council and the cabinet member responsible, Councillor Brathwaite, for a quick
decision and there had been no proper consultation before the scheme was implemented.
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Motion was passed Ben Gaskell (owner of Belinda Road business)put the following motion to the meeting: “This meeting wishes the road closure scheme to be stopped tomorrow”. The motion was carried almost unanimously with one person voting against and no apparent abstentions.

I wonder if LJ neighbourhood planning forum will press for this if Anthea Masseys organisation is representative etc..
 
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bimble said:
This bit not so good:

" Councillor Matt Parr asked what the decision-making process would be once the information was gathered."

"Ian Baker explained that the decision on the road closures would be taken by Councillor Jenny Brathwaite alone, unless there was a call-in by councillors to the Overview and Scrutiny committee"

Is that happening? Does it have to be called in all over again?
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Well the previous call-in was a sham with several Cllrs stating for the record that they thought the consultation was flawless and they cant see anything that was wrong with it. (they forget that there are only so many seats in the cabinet) as for Matt Parr stating another call-in.. it just stinks a little of not much we can do.
 
critical1 said:
it just stinks a little of not much we can do.
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don't say that! If another Call In is the only way to make this be anything apart from a decision made by Jennifer B all by herself then surely another call in is what should be happening, maybe Rachel Heywood can do one?
 
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This is the form for the one Cllr Parr put in. Cllr can make a Call In to the Scrutiny Panel when there are objections to a Council or Cllr decision.
 

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bimble said:
ok I see. And the result of that was.. basically nothing at all, none of the questions in there have been answered.
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Yep thats why I thought our eminantly enlightened teacher "R" teuchter might add some insight as they seemed so knowledgeable, but as yet no comments, very strange!
 
AlexH said:
This has direct oral evidence from John Rice of the Ambulance Service and a nurse (I think) from King's College Hospital, plus numerous others that the closure is putting lives at risk. Direct questions for you Teuchter: (1) do you accept this evidence? (2) Do you have any evidence to suggest it is a wrong statement? and (3) if so please identify what it is. That latter question is a direct (but open) question - the two are not mutually exclusive.
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(1) Yes, it should certainly be taken into consideration
(2) No
(3) N/A

HTH
 
Just sent another email asking for the questionnaire to be put up on Lambeth's website today, so that people can take part in the official qualitative evaluation before it finishes at the end of the week. I have not given up hope.
 
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Amazing that's the most succinct reply ever from teuchter... & he agrees with AlexH

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