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I'm not sure they are actually enforcing, there are no cameras and I seem to remember reading somewhere that they haven't issued any fines at all
It's all a bit weird. I haven't heard anyone say they've received an actual fine yet either but the CCTV car is definitely still doing its thing, parking up here on the corner after dark to see who crosses the no entries.
And I still don't know why the great big digital £130 fine signs were removed coincidentally the morning after all that press coverage and have not returned.
 
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It's all a bit weird. I haven't heard anyone say they've received an actual fine yet either but the CCTV car is definitely still doing its thing, parking up here on the corner after dark to see who crosses the no entries.
And I still don't know why the great big digital £130 fine signs were removed coincidentally the morning after all that press coverage and have not returned.
The sign might have been stolen
 
The Hero of Switzerland gets a couple of mentions in the CAMRA "London Drinker" current issue.

page 38 - Just to illustrate that pubs have other threats than developers, this pub a Good Beer Guide entry in 2000 faces being isolated by a controversial road closure scheme. The pub's landlord told the Evening Standard "Business is quiet anyway, so this could well finish us."

page 54 Hero of Switzerland (ex Punch Taverns) cask beer discontinued.
 
The Hero of Switzerland gets a couple of mentions in the CAMRA "London Drinker" current issue.

page 38 - Just to illustrate that pubs have other threats than developers, this pub a Good Beer Guide entry in 2000 faces being isolated by a controversial road closure scheme. The pub's landlord told the Evening Standard "Business is quiet anyway, so this could well finish us."

page 54 Hero of Switzerland (ex Punch Taverns) cask beer discontinued.

Do people drive to the Hero? Always struck me a local pub for local people. Wouldn't a new Boulevard de George Wright be more tempting as people pass by on their evening stroll?
 
Do people drive to the Hero? Always struck me a local pub for local people. Wouldn't a new Boulevard de George Wright be more tempting as people pass by on their evening stroll?
Like the idea of a Boulevard - you have hit on an idea with that je ne c'est quois.
..... slow line Double Posting issues......
 
Do people drive to the Hero? Always struck me a local pub for local people. Wouldn't a new Boulevard de George Wright be more tempting as people pass by on their evening stroll?
Like the idea of a Boulevard - you have hit on an idea with that je ne c'est quois.

Regarding the pub and the route closure - I don't know what that is all about. Maybe you and I are looking from the perspective of one who likes to drink beer (in which case the Beehive or the Fox on the Hill would be a much better bet).

I guess the Hero must do excellent teas!
 
They actually hold a lot of wedding/funeral and birthday events and they used to get a portion of custom from the passing traffic, not saying the driver is the one drinking! The closures have not only caused cut backs for those events but they cannot even have the regular delivery of drinks as the large lorry cannot manouvere the small roads left open to reach the pub. They now have added costs as their deliveries are now having to use a smaller vehicle and making several visits instead of all in one.
The local newsagents cannot have daily deliveries of milk and bread, the company refuses to drive the longer and more congested routes on a daily basis and they are restricted to a couple of deliveries a week now.
These closures have had a detrimental effect on most people in various ways.
 
Do people drive to the Hero? Always struck me a local pub for local people. Wouldn't a new Boulevard de George Wright be more tempting as people pass by on their evening stroll?

Lunch time trade? A lot of pubs are running on narrow margins - even a small reduction in trade can be disastrous.
 
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The local newsagents cannot have daily deliveries of milk and bread, the company refuses to drive the longer and more congested routes on a daily basis and they are restricted to a couple of deliveries a week now.These closures have had a detrimental effect on most people in various ways.
Hadn't considered that delivery drivers would just refuse to do the extra mileage to regular clients.
I can completely see how people on small margins will go bust if they have no milk and papers to sell.
 
Do people drive to the Hero? Always struck me a local pub for local people. Wouldn't a new Boulevard de George Wright be more tempting as people pass by on their evening stroll?
I used to see a few cabs and black taxis there... for the more serious boozers
 
Hadn't considered that delivery drivers would just refuse to do the extra mileage to regular clients.
I can completely see how people on small margins will go bust if they have no milk and papers to sell.

I found out the other day that a lot of traders are operating on 15p-30p margins... Additional time and fuel costs can make it or break it//// in these days of austerity.
 
they cannot even have the regular delivery of drinks as the large lorry cannot manouvere the small roads left open to reach the pub. They now have added costs as their deliveries are now having to use a smaller vehicle and making several visits instead of all in one.
The local newsagents cannot have daily deliveries of milk and bread, the company refuses to drive the longer and more congested routes on a daily basis and they are restricted to a couple of deliveries a week now.

I'm sceptical that this is the entire truth.
 
Time for a Teuchter Investigates special report I think.

I think he just likes his Pork Pies.... and his Guinness

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I can assure teuchter that what I said is the truth from the owner of the Sun Newspaper shop and Colin from the Hero of Switzerland and his wife.
I spoke with them and that is the present situation for them.
That group of shops has the nice little slip road in front of them making it very easy for the once passing traffic to pull off Loughborough Road and be able to shop there quite easily. Now a lot of the traffic are no longer passing there, they are stuck on CHL or Denmark Road or St James's Crescent or further afield! A new Cafe/Restaurant had opened, Prestige, a few months ago and again depended not just on locals but passing or visiting traffic to them again this amount of loss of customers will see them and others soon go out of business. Obviously no other business would prosper in the same area.
 
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Well, I don't suppose she drinks in the Hero, and probably doesn't use any of the other businesses in the cordoned off zone. So I guess she doesn't give two shits if they close down.
I suspect she'd rather see the whole area razed and replaced with upmarket housing. Just think how much it would add to the value of her house. And then she has the brass neck to pretend she cares about what local residents think.
 
On the question of existing local businesses and their relationship with the closures, this innocuous looking bit from the call in response document is interesting.

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I mean, how do you make a 'greater mix of retail outlets' omelette in LJ without breaking a few car repair / takeaway / minimart eggs?

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EDIT: In case it looks like I'm being nice about this, I don't mean to be, not at all.

This place will change very fast very soon all by itself, as you can see by watching week by week what is happening like a wave of wine bars coming up Coldharbour Lane from The Village.
If it happens 'organically', through the inevitable pressure of the housing market etc then it happens: I'm very much against Lambeth Council using what little money they have actively pushing to artificially speed up the process.
 
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Well, I don't suppose she drinks in the Hero, and probably doesn't use any of the other businesses in the cordoned off zone. So I guess she doesn't give two shits if they close down.
I suspect she'd rather see the whole area razed and replaced with upmarket housing. Just think how much it would add to the value of her house. And then she has the brass neck to pretend she cares about what local residents think.

Hold on mate she does really care....as to what local residents think

1. The level of non-compliance on Loughborough Road especially from north-travelling vehicles is now much higher with many vehicles now passing through the pedestrian zone. Anecdotal evidence

2. The congestion along Coldharbour Lane, which was being blamed on the road closures, is now back to normal levels since the works to the traffic lights at the bottom of Herne Hill Road have been completed. This has now led to rat running through the kettled in area, especially Loughborough estate, can we not totally address this and seal the area off.

3. I have anecdotal evidence from Clare Neely that parents walking their children to St Saviour’s school are reporting lower levels of traffic along Herne Hill Road. I have no idea where the traffic has dispersed to, but that doesn't matter.

4. Reports of rat-running along St James Crescent, Southwell Road and Denmark Road have been exaggerated, as traffic monitoring will validate, Please ignore that youtube video from the residents of those roads, I will stake my reputation on it.

5. There is no evidence of rat-running along Loughborough Park, as I reside there and can most certainly vouch for that :)

It is my view as LJAG has not had a meeting as yet, that after a shaky start residents of which I have spoken to many are in full support are only now beginning to see the benefits of quieter streets with less through traffic and that now the congestion along Coldharbour Lane is no longer an issue and diverted along the side roads there will be an attendant lower level of air pollution, which was our primary objective.

Nonetheless, we are disappointed that this issue has so divided our community and that LJAG, as supporters of the experiment, has borne the brunt of local opposition. It is also very unfortunate that the issue has become elided with fears about gentrification and that inclusive community projects, in particular the Loughborough Farm, have been accused of being the moving force behind the scheme. Although the pedestrian zone space outside the farm, which I campaigned for is not a reason to validate any claims against the farm regarding gentrification.

I am also concerned that once again there has been poor distribution of leaflets inviting residents to fill in Lambeth’s survey. In some cases these have been delivered in Lambeth Talk, which some people may not read. There have also been photographs in social media showing piles of leaflets dumped in streets and in foyers of tower blocks. It was stated in one social media article that we would have our pedestrian zone on Loughborough Road with children play in the street with buses, ambulances, fire trucks, and police cars, to date no children only the latter.

If the experiment is to continue for the full six months we would seek reassurances from Lambeth council that its communications team would mount a rigorous public relations campaign to explain the scheme, its benefits and how it fits into plans to improve and create a town centre for Loughborough Junction. As you know the garages have to be closed and to make a New Town Centre requires space, unfortunately Loughborough Junction lacks this, but we do have a lovely new Co-op and a Tesco Local, but it does not really fit in with the local demographic we so much want to invite into Loughborough, I hear that you no longer have a Town Hall as its been decentralised so maybe you would like to make a start by moving council services to Loughborough Junction and be one of the early adopters, away with the old and in with the new so to speak.

Best wishes
 
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Just for the record - one of the couple of times I have met her, was sat around a table having some drinks in the Hero, about 2 or 3 months ago.
Out of silly curiosity what's her poison do you remember what Anthea had to drink?
I may be wrong but imagine she's no longer welcome there now (because of this road closure debacle, as she notes in her letter)
 
concerned1 which are the cab companies you claim won't drop people in the area?
I know you weren't talking to me teuchter but: I had an interesting chat late on Saturday night with a (female!) taxi driver from Addison Lee, which I think is London's largest cab company. She explained that from her perspective what this scheme means is enough added time & expense to throw their existing pricing and time algorithms so far out of sync that is is now not worth her while to drive me home even at 2am. She felt strongly enough about it to take down more than one email address at Lambeth. .
 
I know you weren't talking to me teuchter but: I had an interesting chat late on Saturday night with a (female!) taxi driver from Addison Lee, which I think is London's largest cab company. She explained that from her perspective what this scheme means is enough added time & expense to throw their existing pricing and time algorithms so far out of sync that is is now not worth her while to drive me home even at 2am. She felt strongly enough about it to take down more than one email address at Lambeth. .
How does that work? Isn't their pricing done centrally? Do individual drivers get to turn down jobs if they don't like them?
 
I know you weren't talking to me teuchter but: I had an interesting chat late on Saturday night with a (female!) taxi driver from Addison Lee, which I think is London's largest cab company. She explained that from her perspective what this scheme means is enough added time & expense to throw their existing pricing and time algorithms so far out of sync that is is now not worth her while to drive me home even at 2am. She felt strongly enough about it to take down more than one email address at Lambeth. .

teuchter now heads off to phone Addison Lee as to the benefits of LJ Road Closures....
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