Loughborough Junction chitter-chatter

[RHK]

I am on the floor either in hysterics or anger....probably both! Shocking.

Peter is a Loughborough Estate resident who volunteers so of course he is unpaid. No one headhunted him. Time to step down not too keen on your style of volunteering Pete!

Need a Facebook page called Loughborough Estate Madness for folks to report on the LEMB and Loughborough Estate madness that goes on (title borrowed from the brilliant person that set up the LJ Madness Facebook page).

 

[critical1]

You do realise I'm being a bit careful of how I put things on public board.

Anyway keep up the good work here

Well it belongs to someone, if not them, us as public money. It has to belong to someone.

Inside Housing do clearly state it was Lambeth council funds.
Residents money!! Public money!! Our money!!

 

[critical1]

I am on the floor either in hysterics or anger....probably both! Shocking.

Peter is a Loughborough Estate resident who volunteers so of course he is unpaid. No one headhunted him. Time to step down not too keen on your style of volunteering Pete!

Need a Facebook page called Loughborough Estate Madness for folks to report on the LEMB and Loughborough Estate madness that goes on (title borrowed from the brilliant person that set up the LJ Madness Facebook page).

Peter and the board do not get paid ROFL

At the most recent AGM 2018/19 they awarded Peter as LEMB chair £10,000 per annum automatically as expenses and all other board members £2,500 per annum to reflect how much hard work and responsibility they have, ‘I’m not sure about what they do’.

Apparently there is now a HUGE internal fight for who wants to be the next volunteer LEMB Chair.

 

[RHK]

Peter and the board do not get paid ROFL

At the most recent AGM 2018/19 they awarded Peter as LEMB chair £10,000 per annum automatically as expenses and all other board members £2,500 per annum to reflect how much hard work and responsibility they have, ‘I’m not sure about what they do’.

Apparently there is now a HUGE internal fight for who wants to be the next volunteer LEMB Chair.

Thanks for all the info.

£10,000 per annum for expenses! What expenses? Peter lives across the road from the Loughborough Estate Offices. Sounds like it's a pro-rata salary payment for a job and not expenses! He volunteers. £10,000. It just gets worse.

What an absolute joke! £2500 for the other board members. Another joke! Another payment for part-time work except without the work. They volunteer. Voluntary work means giving time for free.

These folks on the Board are all, what sounds like to me, getting paid as they all live within a few minutes of the Loughborough Estate Office and can access their resources. George and Peter live a few doors apart right across the road from the Loughborough Estate Office:
The Board

Hard work?????? So wrong on every level and with estate funds/public funds too.

Should the taxman be looking at their self-awarded expenses (some kind of pro-rata payments maybe?) or have I got it all wrong and my wires crossed?

Helen Nwoye must be chomping at the bit to be Chair. Time for a whole new board. It may not be a popular thing to say but Lambeth Council please step in.

 

[CH1]

Be interesting to see what the sentences are IF they are found guilty.
The assistant manager of Stockwell Community Resource Centre got twelve months suspended for two years for a similar £25,000 fraud between April 2009 and September 2011. Also ordered to do 240 hours community service. Square Mile News: Assistant Boss Of Kids Centre Nicked Thousands

This Stockwell Community Resource Centre case - also at Inner London Crown Court was tried 2 years after the events took place. One almost wonders what the point is. It's like the law is mainly concerned to issue a certificate of dishonesty - which is then disregarded under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. Must dust down my old Kafka novels!

I imagine this exposure of bad management at the heart of the Stockwell centre may well have contributed to the subsequent difficulties in keeping it open.

 

[critical1]

Thanks for all the info.

£10,000 per annum for expenses! What expenses? Peter lives across the road from the Loughborough Estate Offices. Sounds like it's a pro-rata salary payment for a job and not expenses! He volunteers. £10,000. It just gets worse.

What an absolute joke! £2500 for the other board members. Another joke! Another payment for part-time work except without the work. They volunteer. Voluntary work means giving time for free.

These folks on the Board are all, what sounds like to me, getting paid as they all live within a few minutes of the Loughborough Estate Office and can access their resources. George and Peter live right across the road:
The Board

Some of the LEMB board members

 

[RHK]

Does anyone know if Peter Shorinwa is in paid employment? Does he have a job? And could the £10,000 he and the Board awarded himself be classed as unearned income? How can he be then considered a volunteer? This is a payment for his services isn't it? I don't know the legal ins and outs of all of this.

Could the £2500 for the other Board members be classed as unearned income? And if they work or are on benefits and have not declared the income is this legal? If they are receiving payment then they are not volunteers. £17,500 for 7 x Board members and £10,000 for the eighth = Chair Peter Shorinwa. A total of £27,500 from Loughborough Estate Funds for 2018/2019.

They are supposed to be elected volunteer board members. They voluntarily put themselves up to be a volunteer board member. No payment is necessary for that and no expenses should be incurred.

There are people on the estate who struggle to pay rent and food or have to choose between rent, food and heating.

Some people do not even earn £10,000 a year and he and the Board awarded himself £10,000 out of public monies? I just scraped myself off the floor and am now sitting on it again in disbelief and disgust and laughing at the absolute gall of the man.

We really do need a Facebook page called Loughborough Estate Madness....we need a record of all the crazy on this estate

 

[critical1]

Does anyone know if Peter Shorinwa is in paid employment? Does he have a job? And could the £10,000 he and the Board awarded himself be classed as unearned income?

He allegedly works giving financial advice at Help the Aged or one of those associated charities.
It's too hot to phone around and confirm.
Certainly the Beast of a petrol guzzler he appears to drive, does need some form of feeding.

Peter Shorinwa charged with Fraud

(it wasn't me, honestly it's a little mistake)

 

[RHK]

He allegedly gives financial advice? Serious qualifications are needed for that. Oh my!

 

[teuchter]

Certainly the Beast of a petrol guzzler he appears to drive, does need some form of feeding.

Purely coincidental that he is a petrolhead and heated opposition to the road calming scheme was stirred up on the Loughborough Estate.

 

[Gramsci]

He allegedly works giving financial advice at Help the Aged or one of those associated charities.
It's too hot to phone around and confirm.
Certainly the Beast of a petrol guzzler he appears to drive, does need some form of feeding.

Peter Shorinwa charged with Fraud
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(it wasn't me, honestly it's a little mistake)

I have seen him in his SUV. Wonder how he affords it.

 

[Gramsci]

I've being hearing that Lambeth aren't doing well in the court case.

 

[critical1]

I've being hearing that Lambeth aren't doing well in the court case.

Well this quality of Barrister generally do not come cheap Laura Hocknell | Carmelite Chambers

Peter Shorinwa's Barrister

 

[Gramsci]

Well this quality of Barrister generally do not come cheap Laura Hocknell | Carmelite Chambers

Peter Shorinwa's Barrister

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Paid for out of LEMB funds I presume?

 

[Gramsci]

Well this quality of Barrister generally do not come cheap Laura Hocknell | Carmelite Chambers

Peter Shorinwa's Barrister

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She does not read like a human rights lawyer.

 

[critical1]

Paid for out of LEMB funds I presume?

'Get me the Best...' as we're all in this together.

Questions should be asked!!! and answered.

 

[critical1]

She does not read like a human rights lawyer.

Presumably it would depend on the story that has been laid out before her.

 

[Gramsci]

Presumably it would depend on the story that has been laid out before her.

I meant looking at the kinds of cases she goes for they aren't exactly about sticking up for the weakest members of society who suffer abuse.

 

[critical1]

I meant looking at the kinds of cases she goes for they aren't exactly about sticking up for the weakest members of society who suffer abuse.

Ahh yes, looking at Sade (Fulushade) Adetotun Barrister that does ring true.
Some very expensive legal services, I wonder how much they charge?


Martin Taylor | Carmelite Chambers



'Get me the Best...'

 

[RHK]

Does anyone know why a Lambeth Council approved accountant (or someone from the Lambeth Council Accounts Team) is not attached to the LEMB Board as Treasurer to oversee payments made, check the finances and books regularly, confirm whether monies are being carefully and wisely spent and to attend LEMB Board meetings?

I apologise in advance if this is a daft question.

 

[CH1]

Does anyone know why a Lambeth Council approved accountant (or someone from the Lambeth Council Accounts Team) is not attached to the LEMB Board as Treasurer to oversee payments made, check the finances and books regularly, confirm whether monies are being carefully and wisely spent and to attend LEMB Board meetings?

I apologise in advance if this is a daft question.

I can't see why the finances could not have been done by a secondee from the council.
TPAS guidelines suggest it is not abnormal for council/landlord to have up to four places on the board.

There ought to be a scrutiny committee hearing to see what went wrong. Or maybe Lambeth have abolished these?

 

[RHK]

I can't see why the finances could not have been done by a secondee from the council.
TPAS guidelines suggest it is not abnormal for council/landlord to have up to four places on the board.

There ought to be a scrutiny committee hearing to see what went wrong. Or maybe Lambeth have abolished these?

I agree with you completely. A secondee from Lambeth Council should be in charge of fhe finances.

There definitely should be 4 council representatives on the board to balance out the 'volunteer' Board that is running the estate at the moment.

It seems odd that the 'LEMB EIGHT' are running what is the largest estate on Lambeth without any council representatives on the board at all.

The LEMB Board do need to be kept a close eye on.

 

[critical1]

I agree with you completely. A secondee from Lambeth Council should be in charge of fhe finances.

There definitely should be 4 council representatives on the board to balance out the 'volunteer' Board that is running the estate at the moment.

It seems odd that the 'LEMB EIGHT' are running what is the largest estate on Lambeth without any council representatives on the board at all.

The LEMB Board do need to be kept a close eye on.

It is a FULL BOARD of 12 the website only shows 8 as they have not bothered to update it, not even with minutes of meetings, no surprises there though.

 

[RHK]

It is a FULL BOARD of 12 the website only shows 8 as they have not bothered to update it, not even with minutes of meetings, no surprises there though.

Thank you for the info Critical1. I really appreciate it.

Does anyone know who the other four LEMB Board members are who are not listed but who should be?

Our of twelve members four should most definitely be Lambeth Council Representatives with one of them being the Treasurer to ensure public monies are properly used and accounted for.

 

[RHK]

Does anyone know if Peter Shorinwa is in paid employment? Does he have a job? And could the £10,000 he and the Board awarded himself be classed as unearned income? How can he be then considered a volunteer? This is a payment for his services isn't it? I don't know the legal ins and outs of all of this.

Could the £2500 for the other Board members be classed as unearned income? And if they work or are on benefits and have not declared the income is this legal? If they are receiving payment then they are not volunteers. £17,500 for 7 x Board members and £10,000 for the eighth = Chair Peter Shorinwa. A total of £27,500 from Loughborough Estate Funds for 2018/2019.

They are supposed to be elected volunteer board members. They voluntarily put themselves up to be a volunteer board member. No payment is necessary for that and no expenses should be incurred.

There are people on the estate who struggle to pay rent and food or have to choose between rent, food and heating.

Some people do not even earn £10,000 a year and he and the Board awarded himself £10,000 out of public monies? I just scraped myself off the floor and am now sitting on it again in disbelief and disgust and laughing at the absolute gall of the man.

We really do need a Facebook page called Loughborough Estate Madness....we need a record of all the crazy on this estate

So my figures were way off. Board of twelve including one Chair. Board awarded themselves £2500 each = £27500 plus £10000 for Peter = £37500. How can a Board elect to give themselves money as volunteers?

Imperative that Lambeth Council put 4 representatives including a Treasurer on the Board. This is Loughborough Estate Madness!

 

[RHK]

Peter and the board do not get paid ROFL

At the most recent AGM 2018/19 they awarded Peter as LEMB chair £10,000 per annum automatically as expenses and all other board members £2,500 per annum to reflect how much hard work and responsibility they have, ‘I’m not sure about what they do’.

Apparently there is now a HUGE internal fight for who wants to be the next volunteer LEMB Chair. critical1, Wednesday at 4:03 AM


So my figures were way off. Board of twelve including one Chair. Board awarded themselves £2500 each = £27500 plus £10000 for Peter = £37500. How can a Board elect to give themselves money as volunteers?

Imperative that Lambeth Council put 4 representatives including a Treasurer on the Board. This is Loughborough Estate Madness!

Does anyone know the names of the other four LEMB Board members who are not listed on the LEMB website?

 

[Andy01]

This ( alleged) fraud is about Loughborough Estate funds?

Not criticising. Just want to know what the fraud allegations are about.

Peter Shorinwa, 65, chair of the Loughborough Estate Management Board (LEMB) in Lambeth, and Folasade Adedotun, 55, worked together unlawfully to pay the money into Ms Adedotun’s bank account from Lambeth Council funds in November 2016, the Inner London Crown Court heard on Tuesday.
The pair have pleaded not guilty to fraud by abuse of position under Section 4 of the Fraud Act 2006, while Ms Adedotun has also pleaded not guilty to a second charge of fraud by failure to disclose.
Lawyers acting for the defendants claimed they believed the payment was legitimate, made in order to retain the valuable services of Ms Adedotun to LEMB. At the time of the alleged crime, Ms Adedotun was working as a neighbourhood services director for Lambeth Council on a salary of around £45,000 and was seconded to LEMB.
Robert Fitt, prosecuting, told the court: “This case is about more than the fraud, it’s about corruption.
“Each of these defendants occupied an official position and they abused their positions in order to enrich themselves.”
Lambeth Council had taken back financial control of LEMB in the summer of 2014 and appointed Ms Adedotun on 7 July 2014. Mr Fitt said that five months after it took back financial control, a property services manager working under her at the TMO on a salary of around £36,000 resigned.
Instead of appointing a replacement, the defendant emailed her line manager at Lambeth Council, Tim Fairhurst, to say that she would cover the role herself in addition to her other duties and use the money saved to employ an electrician and plumber, the court heard.
“She took on the role voluntarily and knew full well she was not going to be entitled to any further salary,” Mr Fitt told jurors.

 

[critical1]

Peter and the board do not get paid ROFL

At the most recent AGM 2018/19 they awarded Peter as LEMB chair £10,000 per annum automatically as expenses and all other board members £2,500 per annum to reflect how much hard work and responsibility they have, ‘I’m not sure about what they do’.

Apparently there is now a HUGE internal fight for who wants to be the next volunteer LEMB Chair.....

Does anyone know the names of the other four LEMB Board members who are not listed on the LEMB website?

I would assume the last set of publicly available minutes would provide such information.

 

[RHK]

I would assume the last set of publicly available minutes would provide such information.

Sounds like a good idea but trying to get minutes out of a volunteer £2500 LEMB Board member is like trying to get blood out of a stone. These should be available to all that request them.

The minutes are not on the website and nor do the Board reply to requests for them.

LEMB Board needs experienced Lambeth Council representatives on it asap.

 

[critical1]

Surprisingly enough today kicks off with Peter Shorinwa Chair of LEMB and other members of his board being cross examined at the Inner City Crown Court.

Make sure you get a front row seat for the performance, it should last all week.