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I'd say it's a blanket statement which is problematical in a number of ways and which is not backed up by any supporting evidence.

To start with, 'gentrifiers' and 'locals' are not two distinct groups. The idea that one will outnumber the other is nonsensical.
 
Only if you interpret them in a literal binary sense. No different from making male/female statements; you implicitly acknowledge there are people who don't fit the either-or categories, or who are simply outliers. This isn't a maths equation so I'm not going to argue the minutiae of it; happy to concede whatever point you're making.
 
There's also the issue of who decides whether someone is a gentrifier or not, and what parameters are used to determine it. It might even be the case that many of those classing new arrivals to their area as gentrifiers were themselves seen as gentrifiers by the locals when they first moved in all those years ago.

A bit like a driver caught in a rush hour traffic jam calling the office to complain he is stuck in traffic, when in fact he is traffic.
 
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As I have lived in Brixton and now LJ gentrification is an issue in LJ.

Locals I know in LJ see whats happened to Brixton and don't want it in LJ.

This is what they say to me.
 
Probably a mix of the two. At some point in time, you would expect the gentrifiers to outnumber the locals (whether pro or anti) so the anti-gentrification view on U75 will eventually become a minority view.

You mean when area has been socially cleansed of the working class.
 
Saw the hoardings up for the LJworks thing yesterday. The text on it seemed pretty much 'gentrification here soon' to me, and in the context of things going on recently/locally somewhat facepalm, PR wise. Either the people running these things just don't get it, ase.

I took photos will post up.

I was cringing when I saw the hoardings. I did think this is inappropriate given the area. Sends out wrong message.
 
Given that at meetings I attended residents from the estate said they didn't want LJ Works to be anything like Pop these hoardings are PR mistake.

Remember at same meetings Council said they had learnt from mistakes of Pop and it would not happen in LJ.

What is it with Council? That they do this?
 
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What I would have been interested in seeing on hoardings was how many local people got work building LJ Works. How many young people got chance of training helping to build LJ Works. These things were promised early on.
 
Full on gentrification of LJ is unlikely unless the Loughborough Estate is "regenerated". Which I don't see happening at this time. LJ has large working class population slap bang in centre of it. Its not like that in central Brixton.

I was down in home town Plymouth and its same their. Plymouth always has had large , for South West, concentration of working class in one area. If you have money you live outside Plymouth. Its nearby villages one sees "gentrification".

Plymouth Council has made attempts to support "regeneration" and it hasn't really worked. As my brother said average income in Plymouth is four thousand less than Exeter.

Like LJ Plymouth isn't that desirable. Due to large existing working class population.

I went on pub crawl around docks in Plymouth on weekend with brother , where we grew up, still pretty well working class pubs. Rather liked it.
 
Have they got planning permission - or is this by divine revelation?
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Conversion of ancillary parts of a Place of Worship (Use Class D1) to provide a new residential unit at basement level (Use Class C3). Demolition of the main Place of Worship (Auditorium) to the rear and construction a new Place of Worship with access from Padfield Road.

They're building a bigger hall that takes up more of the site, while returning the basement of the house at the front to residential use.

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CHL on the left of this plan, Padfield Rd. along the bottom.
 
LJ is looking well tatty in places. The NISA shop is a mess and this isn't looking too good either. I wonder who nicked that glorious Greig sign?

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They used to be big fans of the Three Day Hall

I've always had a soft spot for JW's always at arm's length though - German JW's under Hitler refused to do the Hitler salute and suffered the same fate as Jews, Communists and other anti-Nazis. They self build their Kingdom Hall's with volunteers where possible so are very self-reliant. Probably fucks up their kids though sadly. Seem to be a lot of Portuguese JW's peddling their pamphlets around London atm.

Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia


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I've always had a soft spot for JW's always at arm's length though - German JW's under Hitler refused to do the Hitler salute and suffered the same fate as Jews, Communists and other anti-Nazis. They self build their Kingdom Hall's with volunteers where possible so are very self-reliant. Probably fucks up their kids though sadly. Seem to be a lot of Portuguese JW's peddling their pamphlets around London atm.

Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia


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My wife's family was royally fucked up by the JWs. Her father was brought up in the faith, but when he came of age and left they chastised and isolated him.
 
My wife's family was royally fucked up by the JWs. Her father was brought up in the faith, but when he came of age and left they chastised and isolated him.
The film Apostasy dealt with this issue. Was at selected cinemas a few weeks back, but as it was co-financed by BBC Film Unit is should be on BBC Two or BBC Four shortly I would think.
 
Someone I work with hates Jehovah witness. When he was at school s classmate died as his parents were Jehovah witness. They will not have blood transfusion. For themselves or the young children they have. So the person I worked with friend at school died. Due to refusal of parents for blood

He can't stand them.
 
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