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London: the unlockening/relockening

Was in town last night for a play - quite odd. Tube pretty empty, quite a lot of restaurants shut although some of them may have been for 'Monday in January' anyway, regardless of covid. Until we got to theatre, we seemed to be the only people out over the age of 30. Lots of young folks roaming the streets but not all that many places for them to go by the look of things.
 
Walking through spitalfields earlier, most of the restaurants and pubs we saw were literally empty, no city workers no tourists 😟
Liverpool St Station & London Bridge in the rush hour
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As posted above - Central London is sooooo quiet again. The shop I work in is shutting at 7pm instead of 8pm again for the next few weeks because there's noone around in the evenings, and I am currently one of 10 people on the bus home, and all busses around me seem to have similar passenger numbers.
 
As posted above - Central London is sooooo quiet again. The shop I work in is shutting at 7pm instead of 8pm again for the next few weeks because there's noone around in the evenings, and I am currently one of 10 people on the bus home, and all busses around me seem to have similar passenger numbers.
You still in the same place you were years back?
 
yep still quiet on the roads coming in (on my bike). I guess understandable due to wfh 'order', though our office is getting busier as people are going slowly mad stuck at home.
 
Went for dinner in soho on Friday night (for the first time in ages) and it was pretty busy throughout.

Saturday, Barbican was quite busy.

Today Barbican was again quite busy, and some of the streets around the St Pauls end of the City were busier than I might have expected.

Regent street and Oxford St reasonably busy, certainly not deserted

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I happened on a bit of a sign of the times at House of Fraser on Oxford St though, apparently its final day after thirty-something years of operation.

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Quite a few other major shops boarded up on Oxford St too.
 
Went for dinner in soho on Friday night (for the first time in ages) and it was pretty busy throughout.

Saturday, Barbican was quite busy.

Today Barbican was again quite busy, and some of the streets around the St Pauls end of the City were busier than I might have expected.

Regent street and Oxford St reasonably busy, certainly not deserted

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I happened on a bit of a sign of the times at House of Fraser on Oxford St though, apparently its final day after thirty-something years of operation.

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Quite a few other major shops boarded up on Oxford St too.
Mid last year I had call to walk down South Molton Street and that had really taken a hit - I think over 50% of shops looked permanently shuttered.

Lots of Oxford Street department stores either going or converting some or all of floorspace to offices, though Selfridges is actually going to turn part into a hotel. It used to have one rounf the back but think it shut some years ago. The whole department store gig seems kind of up, certainly it is for mid-range ones like HoF and Debenhams - I think consumers want to go online for convenience and choice or to chi-chi-er boutique places that are more of an 'experience' than a so-so department store now.
 
Mid last year I had call to walk down South Molton Street and that had really taken a hit - I think over 50% of shops looked permanently shuttered.

Lots of Oxford Street department stores either going or converting some or all of floorspace to offices, though Selfridges is actually going to turn part into a hotel. It used to have one rounf the back but think it shut some years ago. The whole department store gig seems kind of up, certainly it is for mid-range ones like HoF and Debenhams - I think consumers want to go online for convenience and choice or to chi-chi-er boutique places that are more of an 'experience' than a so-so department store now.


Man those landlords are going to be pissed when they notice Covid.

The department store day is really long over sadly, I'll miss the easy access to decent bogs.
 
Well, as I've mentioned before, there is a prevailing belief in the business that The Office is Not Dead (it's merely having a nap). Construction and deals are still going on apace in London.
 
It does seem to be the department store in particular, but I wonder if something department store-like but not quite the same will re-emerge.

I'm not fully convinced that there's no longer a market for the mid range department store. For people who want to be able to look at stuff & try it on, don't want chi-chi but also don't want to do the legwork of tramping round multiple individual stores.

I wonder if stores like HoF didn't necessarily have a fundamentally broken model, but just weren't able to change quickly enough in certain ways.
 
Is it the department store that's over or the high street generally?

Yes.

Though the High Street will probably see a resurgence for a time thanks to covid and wfh - it would see a lot more long term life if the government put some fucking effort into supporting and improving pedestrian/cycle access and small businesses.
 
Yes.

Though the High Street will probably see a resurgence for a time thanks to covid and wfh - it would see a lot more long term life if the government put some fucking effort into supporting and improving pedestrian/cycle access and small businesses.
The shops will only survive of course if the public continue to use them as opposed to shopping on line. Yes, a shop price will be a little more expensive but they can't get the discounts that e-commerce business's do. Also shops have much greater overheads and can't resort to the tax avoidance schemes which larger companies use.
 
It does seem to be the department store in particular, but I wonder if something department store-like but not quite the same will re-emerge.

I'm not fully convinced that there's no longer a market for the mid range department store. For people who want to be able to look at stuff & try it on, don't want chi-chi but also don't want to do the legwork of tramping round multiple individual stores.

I wonder if stores like HoF didn't necessarily have a fundamentally broken model, but just weren't able to change quickly enough in certain ways.
A department store just can’t get the range of stock in to compete with online. The floor space may seem massive but if you want a particular style of a particular item of clothing in your particular size, you‘re generally lucky to find one that fits, let alone multiple options. By contrast, I can order a range of things online, try them on at home and then just return what I don’t want, generally for free (I mean, I don’t do this because I buy an item of new clothing about once per government cycle, but the kabbess does it). It costs the online company in delivery but they don’t need to keep an expensive shop and retail staff.

Same goes for other products, like consumer electronics. The department store just can’t compete on range and availability. And that means I have to bear the risk of sinking my time into going there only to discover that they don’t have what I need. I used to absolutely hate going shopping, whereas now I never need to do it.
 
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A department store just can’t get the range of stock in to compete with online. The floor space may seem massive but if you want a particular style of a particular item of clothing in your particular size, you‘re generally lucky to find one that fits, let alone multiple options.

Sometimes they don't even have that. The last time I went to physical store to buy clothing, they didn't even have any plain black shirts. Like what the fuck, I would have thought that such items would be standard stock. Apparently not.
 
Sometimes they don't even have that. The last time I went to physical store to buy clothing, they didn't even have any plain black shirts. Like what the fuck, I would have thought that such items would be standard stock. Apparently not.
should have gone to m&s
 
A department store just can’t get the range of stock in to compete with online. The floor space may seem massive but if you want a particular style of a particular item of clothing in your particular size, you‘re generally lucky to find one that fits, let alone multiple options.

They don't have to compete on range. One of the issues online is too much choice. In fact part of the point of a good department store is that it's fairly well targeted at a certain part of the market, so that things are to some extent pre-selected for you.

I know that online works for some people, but I think there are still plenty of people who like to buy certain things in person. Especially with clothes it's quite easy to choose a load of things that look ok on a computer screen but as soon as you see them in real life you know you don't like them. That judgement can be made instantly when looking through a rack in a shop. There's also an element of hassle with online shopping where you have to pack all the unwanted stuff up again, complete forms and so on, maybe even take it somewhere to send it off.

Electronics are different because decisions are more spec driven. I usually buy that kind of thing online and engage in excessive research before purchase but I do know people who prefer to go somewhere in person, talk to an assistant for advice on what they need, and buy somewhere "reliable" where they believe the warranty will be honoured and so on. John Lewis trades off this kind of thing of course.
 
Sometimes they don't even have that. The last time I went to physical store to buy clothing, they didn't even have any plain black shirts. Like what the fuck, I would have thought that such items would be standard stock. Apparently not.
Yes, this is exactly what I have found in the past. I remember needing a black shirt for a concert. Admittedly, black shirts aren’t generally everyday attire, but I couldn’t find a single one on the entire high street.
 
They don't have to compete on range. One of the issues online is too much choice. In fact part of the point of a good department store is that it's fairly well targeted at a certain part of the market, so that things are to some extent pre-selected for you.
If your dimensions aren’t in proportion to the model used as the standard for clothes, though, none of it will fit you. I barely know a woman that doesn’t have this problem. The joy of online shopping isn’t so much the range of clothing, it’s the fact that you can often filter by measurements. If you have shorter legs than normal, you can identify clothes that have this leg measurement. Ditto waist or bust or hips or arms. This is the key reason that the kabbess buys her clothes online — until online shopping came along, the vast majority of her clothes shopping attempts ended without her getting what she wanted. And she isn’t even an unusual shape to look at.

I think men generally have it easier, but there too I have found that there are now online shops that will give you a range of options for things like thigh size (wide, medium, narrow) and shoulder width (well built, medium, slender). There’s no way that a physical store can do this — the combinatorics of it are impossible. I don‘t know how they can manage it online either but somehow they do.

I agree about the curation aspect of the stock. This is what drives me nuts about online shopping, and it is undoubtedly a key reason that I never buy clothes — I simply don’t know where to start. But if you‘re not a total nerd dweeb like me then I think most people seem to have a better idea how to look for things they like.
I know that online works for some people, but I think there are still plenty of people who like to buy certain things in person. Especially with clothes it's quite easy to choose a load of things that look ok on a computer screen but as soon as you see them in real life you know you don't like them. That judgement can be made instantly when looking through a rack in a shop. There's also an element of hassle with online shopping where you have to pack all the unwanted stuff up again, complete forms and so on, maybe even take it somewhere to send it off.
The kabbess says it is much, much easier to scan through things on a screen than in a shop. On a screen, you can quickly look through 50 garments and click next. To physically achieve the same volume of search that can be done in 5 minutes on a computer would take hours in real life. It helps that there are photos of people actually wearing the garments too, rather than needing to hold it up on a hanger and try to picture in your head how it will hang on you. And whatever hassle you have when buying online can be multiplied manifold by the hassle of having to go to the shop, look for things, ask if they have your size, queue up, carry the things home etc.

I’m sure there are indeed plenty of people who like to buy things in person, but this market is increasingly niche. It seems to me that the younger crowd shop via seeing product placements on social media with links about where to find them. The middle-aged crowd doesn’t have time for physical shopping and the high street doesn’t really cater to them. Maybe the older crowd still doesn’t trust online but this is a marketplace that isn’t going to last forever.

At the end of the day, there is a reason why shopping has massively shifted online. If the high street couldn’t compete while it was still vibrant and well-stocked with variety, I can’t see it fighting back now that it is hollowed out.

Electronics are different because decisions are more spec driven. I usually buy that kind of thing online and engage in excessive research before purchase but I do know people who prefer to go somewhere in person, talk to an assistant for advice on what they need, and buy somewhere "reliable" where they believe the warranty will be honoured and so on. John Lewis trades off this kind of thing of course.
Yes, some people do like this personal touch. There is an increasing disillusionment with the “reliable” chain stores, though, because to maintain viability, they’ve had to cut costs and that has meant a reduction in the “reliable” service. I’ve heard more and more people say that they’ll never use John Lewis again, for example, having had trouble making use of their supposed trouble-free returns. The last time I bought a TV in person was 10-20 years ago, from Dixons. It had a dead pixel but they wouldn’t take it back. That was the one advantage they had — a personal service — and they blew it. Furthermore, it only takes somebody to buy something online once to realise that there is more and better buying advice that way than in talking to the clueless 20 year-old in the shop. And that’s if they have the stock, which often they don’t.

Again, you have to look at the buying trends and think about what is going to change if that’s going to reverse. The less volume the high street has, the more it loses its very ability to compete. It’s getting worse for them, not better.
 
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Yes, some people do. There is an increasing disillusionment with the “reliable” chain stores, though, because it maintain viability, they’ve had to cut costs and that has meant a reduction in the “reliable” service. I’ve heard more and more people say that they’ll never use John Lewis again, for example, having had trouble making use of their supposed trouble-free returns. The last time I bought a TV in person was 10-20 years ago, from Dixons. It had a dead pixel but they wouldn’t take it back. That was the one advantage they had — a personal service — and they blew it. Furthermore, it only takes somebody to buy something online once to realise that there is more and better buying advice that way than in talking to the clueless 20 year-old in the shop. And that’s if they have the stock, which often they don’t.

Again, you have to look at the buying trends and think about what is going to change if that’s going to reverse. The less volume the high street has, the more it loses its very ability to compete. It’s getting worse for them, not better.
you only have to look at tottenham court road to see that - many of the people who worked in the electronics shops were very knowledgeable about their stock. yet all those shops are gone and all the specialist knowledge of the staff availed them naught against the challenge from online shopping.
 
Wow, the photos of Oxford Street. 😳 I haven’t been there since before the pandemic began. If I’m honest it’s because I’d find it too depressing. I went into Knightsbridge for a meeting over a year ago and it was a ghost town, but haven’t ventured up West since then and now I’ve left London. I think this is mostly an issue of unrealistically high rents from greedy landlords more than anything else, hence the boarded up units. If Philip Green hadn’t raided Arcadia (it was cash rich and owned many of the stores, before he cashed them in and rented them back) I reckon they’d have survived this. But the long term trend is to shop online instead, which I almost always do. I find retail overwhelming and tiring. Now I’ve moved up North I can plainly see the difference in cheap and expensive rents. Here in this town there are several small family businesses that thrive, little knitting and sewing shops, a plant shop, an independant diy store, plenty chip shops in some towns that have traded forever, despite opening only a few hours a week. Greedy landlords have ripped the heart out of London, it was exciting in the 90’s, I’m thinking of places like Kensington Market and the original Camden, now it’s all so dull and corporate.
 
The thing with physical shops, particularly when you live in London, is that actually getting to the shops takes a lot of travel time and hassle and when you do get to the shops, they are absolutely chockful of people making the whole experience a living hell.

This is the major reason I do all my shopping online now. I can't even remember the last time I went to a shop that wasn't a supermarket.
 
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