London Student protests - Wed 8th Dec+ Thurs 9th

[Mr.Bishie]

What's lol about that?

When I saw the reporter in a helmet he was on the police line outside one of the government buildings and you could see the ‘missiles’ raining down in the background, the cops had their helmets & shields - why should a reporter not be protected?

"A piece of concrete that size."

Breaking it up into smaller bits to throw, yeah

Plus he's a knob.

 

[twentythreedom]

met: "a significant number of people behaved very badly"

LOLZ - were they wearing blue helmets?

 

[xes]

Well why is everyone having a go at the BBC coverage? Is anyone doing it better?

It seems reasonable enough to me under the circumstances of 'rolling news' covering a different story that is kicking off in different parts of the city.

You're not going to get fair and balanced news reporting on a protest, from the BBC, SKY or any of the mainstream media outlets. They are all completly biased, and put their spin on everything.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

The libdem rollcall of shame:

Danny Alexander
Norman Baker
Sir Alan Beith
Gordon Birtwistle
Tom Brake
Jeremy Browne
Malcolm Bruce
Paul Burstow
Vincent Cable
Alistair Carmichael
Nick Clegg
Edward Davey
Lynne Featherstone
Don Foster
Stephen Gilbert
Duncan Hames
Nick Harvey
David Heath
John Hemming
Norman Lamb
David Laws
Michael Moore
Andrew Stunell
Jo Swinson
Sarah Teather
David Ward
Steve Webb

All deserve a kicking.

 

[claphamboy]

so the bill was passed...police pick up overtime, london messed up a bit but the vast majority don't give a fuck...and the earth still spins

That about sums it up, and most the country is watching fucking Coronation Street.

 

[killer b]

fuck me. chas's car got driven through the crowd of protestors. what the fuck? that's practically entrapment...

 

[ymu]

Does anyone think this ruckus could actually force a change in govt policy? I like to think it could, if the demos keep happening. I'd like to see demos leading the news every week until the govt has a rethink. But am I being naive? Could we really get a Poll Tax-style climbdown and the humiliation of a PM? I don't think it's going to happen unless this dastardly kettling can be overcome. Basically we need much, much bigger demos and more disruption to London life. Doesn't have to be property damage necessarily - anything which paralyses London would do the job. The students need to persuade the rest of the population to join them on the barricades. But I can't see this happening while the media and the NUS are banging on about a small minority of criminal thugs who don't represent anyone. I'm afraid we need sweet, innocent teenagers to be hurt by the police if the grown-ups are going to take to the streets.

You forget that there is a weak link in this government. They need the Lib Dems to allow them to hang onto power. Govt majority of 84 21 with 28 Lib Dems abstaining ... we're more than half way there.

 

[xes]

fuck me. chas's car got driven through the crowd of protestors. what the fuck? that's practically entrapment...

Blatent set up is blatent. Cracking media oppertunity, mind.

 

[claphamboy]

I think it's outrageous royalty is watching the royal performance show on such an important day - they got a way lightly IMO.

And you don't think the show was planned well before this protest.

 

[revol68]

so the bill was passed...police pick up overtime, london messed up a bit but the vast majority don't give a fuck...and the earth still spins

christ, what a pathetic attitude, seeing 16 year olds with more wit and integrity than you, standing up against the further marketisation of education and the wider cuts against the working class gives me some hope, you on the other hand should feel like a sad old dick.

 

[Blagsta]

And you don't think the show was planned well before this protest.

your sarcasm detector is on the blink

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Tories who voted against:

David Davis (against)
Julian Lewis (against)
Andrew Percy (against)
Jason McCartney(against)
Philip Davies(against)
Mark Reckless(against)

Deserve a kicking anyway for being Tories.

 

[twentythreedom]

mark reckless?? isn't he just!

 

[nick h.]

You forget that there is a weak link in this government. They need the Lib Dems to allow them to hang onto power. Govt majority of 84 21 with 28 Lib Dems abstaining ... we're more than half way there.

So there's a chance the govt will fall and be replaced by Red Ed - what will it take? How could it happen? The govt has won its vote, so aren't they safe for now? And what's Labour policy on tuition fees anyway?

 

[killer b]

mark reckless gets a pass for having the coolest name in parliament though.

 

[bi0boy]

Blatent set up is blatent. Cracking media oppertunity, mind.

Never underestimate the stupidty of the police.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

mark reckless gets a pass for having the coolest name in parliament though.

Indeed. A punk Tory!

 

[ethel]

mark reckless gets a pass for having the coolest name in parliament though.

and he emailed me about southeastern trains yesterday.

 

[rekil]

mark reckless gets a pass for having the coolest name in parliament though.

Then gets it taken away again for being a genuine couldn't give a fuck tory yahoo. Mark Reckless MP sorry for being 'too drunk to vote'.

 

[ymu]

So there's a chance the govt will fall and be replaced by Red Ed - what will it take? How could it happen? The govt has won its vote, so aren't they safe for now? And what's Labour policy on tuition fees anyway?

If they lose a vote of no confidence, the government falls. If the Lib Dems withdraw, or enough of them resign the whip, the government falls. They haven't passed the fixed term parliament bill yet, but current provision in that this would allow two weeks for a government which could command the confidence of the house to be formed, or an election has to be called.

A government which cannot pass legislation cannot continue. This one is very. very vulnerable.

Labour are touting a graduate tax at the moment. Doesn't matter - we should aim to bring them down too, if they don't toe the line. On cuts in general, that is. This is not just about tuition fees.

 

[nino_savatte]

BBC news coverage is a joke

Yeah, it's almost on a par with MurdochNews. Fucking shameful

 

[nino_savatte]

 

[claphamboy]

"A piece of concrete that size."

Breaking it up into smaller bits to throw, yeah

Plus he's a knob.

Have you actually been watching?

They broke up large blocks into smaller pieces, from about the size of a brick down to large stone size.

I wouldn't fancy a large stone hitting my head, and a brick-size piece could easily kill.

But, I would agree he's a bit of a knob anyway.

 

[nino_savatte]

We need more of these! My pic of the day.

 

[Blagsta]

Have you actually been watching?

They broke up large blocks into smaller pieces, from about the size of a brick down to large stone size.

I wouldn't fancy a large stone hitting my head, and a brick-size piece could easily kill.

But, I would agree he's a bit of a knob anyway.

good!

 

[nick h.]

If they lose a vote of no confidence, the government falls. If the Lib Dems withdraw, or enough of them resign the whip, the government falls. They haven't passed the fixed term parliament bill yet, but current provision in that this would allow two weeks for a government which could command the confidence of the house to be formed, or an election has to be called.

A government which cannot pass legislation cannot continue. This one is very. very vulnerable.

Labour are touting a graduate tax at the moment. Doesn't matter - we should aim to bring them down too, if they don't toe the line. On cuts in general, that is. This is not just about tuition fees.

But I can't see the Libdems allowing the govt to fall - they'd be giving up their best chance of ending the two party system. They'd be back in the wildnerness for the rest of the century.

 

[claphamboy]

If they lose a vote of no confidence, the government falls. If the Lib Dems withdraw, or enough of them resign the whip, the government falls.

Do you seriously think the LibDems are going to bring the house of cards down with their current poll ratings?

It would be like turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

[ymu]

But I can't see the Libdems allowing the govt to fall - they'd be giving up their best chance of ending the two party system. They'd be back in the wildnerness for the rest of the century.

Clegg won't. But it ain't his choice. The MPs know they will all lose their seats because of this - they owe him no loyalty. The party has far, far more power in local councils than they do in parliament - the councillors will lose their seats too. It only takles 75 constituency parties (approx one in eight) to force a leadership election.

It's up to us to keep the pressure up. They won't get away with this, and enough careerists realising this can force the government to fall regardless of what the leadership wants.

 

[claphamboy]

You're not going to get fair and balanced news reporting on a protest, from the BBC, SKY or any of the mainstream media outlets. They are all completly biased, and put their spin on everything.

Genuine question, where has there been anything bias in the BBC’s rolling coverage of the protests?

Only I’ve had it on in the background all afternoon and it seemed fair enough to me, their reporters seemed genuinely surprised and shocked when the police made the fucking stupid horse charge, which was shown in full from the air.

 

[rekil]

I wouldn't fancy a large stone hitting my head, and a brick-size piece could easily kill.

Only if they learn to throw it properly, .