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London Bridge rail redevelopment thunders on

So it sounds like theyre pulling down the victorian-style steel building that goes over platforms 9-15. Im not against this in principle but Im surprised its not listed or somesuch. Its a nice building - just the corrugate roof could do with a clean.
 
ska invita said:
So it sounds like theyre pulling down the victorian-style steel building that goes over platforms 9-15. Im not against this in principle but Im surprised its not listed or somesuch. Its a nice building - just the corrugate roof could do with a clean.
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It is listed grade II. In theory, as part of the conditions of having got consent to demolish it for the Thameslink works Network Rail need to find a new home for it.

IIRC Somone suggested reconstructing it at Crystal Palace station over the ELL terminus platforms. I don't know if the bits would fit there or not.
 
lang rabbie said:
It is listed grade II. In theory, as part of the conditions of having got consent to demolish it for the Thameslink works Network Rail need to find a new home for it.

IIRC Somone suggested reconstructing it at Crystal Palace station over the ELL terminus platforms. I don't know if the bits would fit there or not.
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Cant believe theyre going to move it somewhere else. its not just a bunch of pillars and girders - there are walls there too. either keep it or knock it down, but to move it is just pointless

Crystal Palace station is already great - a lovely station. The ELL jsut stops in the main building in my experience. There is this bit thats uncovered
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I dont think thats ELL, jsut normal trains, but its too small for the London Bridge shed.

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This is the main bit where the ELL comes in
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I could have sworn it was covered - I guess not.

yeah...I guess it could work... might clash a bit with the original.
 
If anyone is passing through London Bridge at the mo, I recommend going to the cab rank outside platform 9-16 - they're just putting some new doors in there at the moment. On one wall there's a massive hoarding covering a wall with this painting blown up on it
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Must be about 20 meters wide, 8 meters high or so - it looks really amazing
 
will go and check that out. the station has really opened out and is nice and light now the coverings are off the windows.

also, for anyone travelling through LB tomorrow morning, they are doing an 'experiment' in the rush hour to test how it will cope at the Olympics..

i'm not commuting tomorrow that way so will not get to be penned in outside the fucking tube when they shut the gates like they did (again) this morning due to a faulty escalator!
 
More about the Canaletto on the SE1 website - it is covering a temporary wall that remains in place during the pause in work between the completion of the Shard concourse and new bus station and the main station redevelopppment.
 
Dan U said:
will go and check that out. the station has really opened out and is nice and light now the coverings are off the windows.

also, for anyone travelling through LB tomorrow morning, they are doing an 'experiment' in the rush hour to test how it will cope at the Olympics..

i'm not commuting tomorrow that way so will not get to be penned in outside the fucking tube when they shut the gates like they did (again) this morning due to a faulty escalator!
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Was a nightmare this morning. To get to the train platforms from the Jubilee line i had to exit onto the street (tooley I think) walk round and up the ramp to enter via the main entrance at the bus station, all the while those going for the Jubilee had to do the opposite. As i didn't know it was happening I missed my train to work. Fourth time late this month.
 
lang rabbie said:
More about the Canaletto on the SE1 website - it is covering a temporary wall that remains in place during the pause in work between the completion of the Shard concourse and new bus station and the main station redevelopppment.
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Not only is it one of the images on which Renzo Piano drew inspiration for his designs for the Shard...
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rant alert! This sticks in my throat. I did an art GCSE, and I know how it works - you have to show your prep, and usually this gets tacked on at the end. I doubt it was inspiration, more likely sales patter to the council as part of the pitch to get it approved... 'massive steel and glass phalus?..no no no...it'll be like a Canaletto painting...the spires of the City...blah blah blah

The fact is London at that time of the painting had a beautiful sky-line and the style across Londons buildings was coherent. Personally I hate London skyscrapers as much as I hate the work the goes on inside them. Canary Wharf was bad enough, I'd be happy to see the whole lot knocked down. But we are where we are, so Ive just stopped myself from grumbling, and made my peace with the lot of them. In that respect the Shard is looking pretty good...but Id still rather get rid of the lot. The architect is Italian, and i doubt he'd be allowed to build this kind of crap in Venice, whether it was inspired by a Canaletto painting or not.
 
If Piano had actually been inspired by Canaletto I doubt he was have designed the vile glass spike that is rearing its loathesome shape abobe ALL of London
This is not Dubai, ie not a shitty litlle priate creek on the edge of a desert, and this Spike of Shite is like some cheapo Ratner Lite, a crap Wankovski "Jewwwweeeelllll" not a fucking diamond.
A Sovreign Ring of a building, it would be better placed in Ilford

Oh yeah, we've a few years hiatus in the Thameslink stuff while this alter to Bling is finished, so years more horror for anyone who has to use what I think is currnetly the UK busieast station
 
Network Rail propaganda said:
historic quadripartite vaults renovated
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Makes it sound more like the Undercroft of Durham Cathedral rather than the place that I used to pick up my over-priced deli stuff when in a hurry!:D

It will be interesting to find out just what proportion of that "Western Arcade" ends up being replica brickwork because the original has been so damaged by works done for the Jubilee Line.
 
And, as I said over there, that brickwork is going to look lovely after a good clean :)
 
_pH_ said:
Those portacabins you thought might be a ticket office are soon to be temporary traincrew accommodation (at least in part). The current mess room and booking-on point are above where the Body Shop, M&S etc. have just closed, in the block which is apparently first to come down. About time too.
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I had a look at the plans yesterday, and the train crew accommodation seems to be on the first floor, so it's possible a temporary ticket office might go on the ground floor. Though if the ground floor footprint is the same as the first floor, there's not a huge amount of room.
 
Slightly off topic, but on the mainline from New Cross to London Bridge just about as you pass the big waste disposal plant a new rail line passes under the track. It seems to have an unusual rail configuration and is not yet in use. Does anyone have any info on this? Also the huge piles of rubbish between & below the mainline tracks have been cleared for some reason.
 
scanner said:
Slightly off topic, but on the mainline from New Cross to London Bridge just about as you pass the big waste disposal plant a new rail line passes under the track. It seems to have an unusual rail configuration and is not yet in use. Does anyone have any info on this? Also the huge piles of rubbish between & below the mainline tracks have been cleared for some reason.
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That's the East london line extention to clapham.
 
scanner said:
Slightly off topic, but on the mainline from New Cross to London Bridge just about as you pass the big waste disposal plant a new rail line passes under the track. It seems to have an unusual rail configuration and is not yet in use. Does anyone have any info on this? Also the huge piles of rubbish between & below the mainline tracks have been cleared for some reason.
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The big pile of rubbish is still there, I think they're playing on Saturday.

I'm pretty sure I saw a train go down there on a test journey? The Clapham side isn't complete though.
 
bromley said:
I'm pretty sure I saw a train go down there on a test journey? The Clapham side isn't complete though.
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LOROL are route learning at the moment, including the turn back on the Atlantic line platform at Battersea Park (there's been a unit there at around 10pm most evenings recently). The Clapham side is complete in that there was no work to do apart from platform work at Clapham Jct - they're running over the existing road from Wandsworth Rd to Factory Jct to Longhedge Jct, under the Brighton and Bournemouth main lines to Ludgate Jct and into Clapham Jct. (the Latchmere curve was doubled but that's for going up to the West London Line)

edit: Come to think of it maybe there is a new spur gone in as when I drove that, we had to reverse at Latchmere no 2 to get to platform 1 at Clapham editedit: just looked at the old route map, you might be right. It was a reversal at Latchmere No2, so there must be a new spur.

The 'new bit' under Bricklayer's Arms Jct isn't really new either - the 'new' up and down Silwood (from Old Kent Road Jct just north of Queen's Road Peckham to Silwood Jct north of New Cross/New Cross Gate) is on the alignment of the old line that closed in the early 20th century. The up side turnback north of New Cross Gate is being lengthened at the moment too.
 
Well I asked another driver who signs over there and he said 'you can get straight in via the Ludgate which saves you 20 minutes and gives you time for coffee and a fag, but the signaller always makes you do the shunt and go in over the Latchmere curve. The cunt'.

This was 0445 this morning though and he was still half asleep. But I think he meant that the Ludgate lines have always gone into Clapham Jct. so presumably LOROL are using them.

This is the wrong thread for this anyway.
 
_pH_ said:
I had a look at the plans yesterday, and the train crew accommodation seems to be on the first floor, so it's possible a temporary ticket office might go on the ground floor. Though if the ground floor footprint is the same as the first floor, there's not a huge amount of room.
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I was basing my assumption on a report on Better Bankside's page on the redevelopment of LBG when they said the temporary ticket office was being placed on the concourse over a weekend a couple of weeks ago - that cabin had appeared the following Monday.

Having a look around the thing, I agree, it doesn't look large or accessible enough for a public ticket office. [shrug]

BB are now reporting "The new interim ticket office in now in position and will open on 22 November 2012" so I guess we'll find out then.
 
The latest update newsletter thing I read at London Bridge this morning said 'the interim ticket office and drivers' accomodation will open in late November.' So yes, looks like it's both.
 
Things are looking perhaps a little clearer...

The new cabins have received some secondary cladding and there's a canopy structure going up - I wonder if that's going to house the public-access part of the ticket office.

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bromley said:
You're missing the real excitement by Tanner's Hill!
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Yep houses with huge cracks it, natives up in arms etc
If they were going to put people thru all this crap a rethink of the massive bottleneck that is Lewisham should have been part of it - the new down slope simply connects to the "temporary" alignement of the re-routed LCDR to Greenwich Park line that was supposed to have sorted back in the 1920s/30s
Though it removes some of the probs of two way running across the bridge, its still a flat junction that then leads to another flat junction!!
 
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