Lolicon (Lolita Complex)

[Nancy_Winks]

If we live in a world where child sex dolls are manufactured I guess you've either got to laugh or kill yourself.

Yeah. I mean it's not funny, it's really odd. But your response was pure funny.

 

[Yelkcub]

I would have thought so: after all it is 2015.

I haven't seen that cut of Back To The Future

 

[DotCommunist]

SEX DOLLS OF CHILDREN ARE A THING??

welcome to modernity. Its all fine so long as you can pay. There is no morality now, just an ever shifting landscape of psuedo principles and false gods WEEP! WEEP!

 

[bluescreen]

Next thing you know, TPTB will be wanting to ban child sex dolls. (No, they won't, because it will only draw attention to their existence.)

Dear god, I lead a sheltered life.

 

[Sasaferrato]

So where did this type of pornography come from?

HTTP://...

Prior to the net, extreme pornography was available, via the medium of magazines and 16mm film. Neither of those were particularly easy to come by. Having grown up in the wilds of the Highlands and Islands, such exotic articles were simply not around when I was a youth.

Now, type 'porn' into Google:

And away you go.

 

[SpackleFrog]

HTTP://...

Prior to the net, extreme pornography was available, via the medium of magazines and 16mm film. Neither of those were particularly easy to come by. Having grown up in the wilds of the Highlands and Islands, such exotic articles were simply not around when I was a youth.

Now, type 'porn' into Google:

And away you go.

I'm not asking you to prove to me that this is easily available. I'm asking you where, if you think that extreme pornography depicting violence create the desire to commit violent acts, did people get the idea for these violent acts from?

 

[dylanredefined]

welcome to modernity. Its all fine so long as you can pay. There is no morality now, just an ever shifting landscape of psuedo principles and false gods WEEP! WEEP!

Never really was if you had money you could always get away with whatever u wanted.

 

[likesfish]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/16/chinese-child-sex-doll_n_4286730.html


Violent and porn may not encourage a normal person to committ acts but if your obssessed by that sort of stuff it may have an effect

 

[Spymaster]

Looking at the CPS website on pornographic non photographic images of children, I noticed it mentions computer generated images, cartoons and drawings. Manga is also specifically mentioned as though if Manga had not been specified then it would not have been covered under the other categories. Is this because no child in the world looks like a Manga character? So what if someone wanted to create something that was not quite Manga or say alien like? Also, it does not seem sex dolls of children are covered.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/prohibited_images_of_children/

You're a fucking idiot.

I'm on the piss with LiamO at the moment but you can expect a full broadside later.

 

[maomao]

I'm not asking you to prove to me that this is easily available. I'm asking you where, if you think that extreme pornography depicting violence create the desire to commit violent acts, did people get the idea for these violent acts from?

There's more than one person in the world. That is to say (and I'm not necessarily agreeing with the argument, I'm just directing you out of that particular blind alley) violence porn can spread ideas that were previously not widespread.

 

[frogwoman]

Fucking hell. Child sex dolls. I don't want to live in the world

 

[SaskiaJayne]

I don't think it does. You have to commit a crime for the police to monitor you. Unless they think you may be a terrorist in the future.

After bit of googling I found this. read page3, it does appear that for an enhanced DBS check required to work closely with kids police can disclose any info they hold about the applicant that they believe is relevant, not just convictions & cautions. So one would hope any obvious paedo that had not committed an offence would still be unable to work with kids.

 

[SpackleFrog]

There's more than one person in the world. That is to say (and I'm not necessarily agreeing with the argument, I'm just directing you out of that particular blind alley) violence porn can spread ideas that were previously not widespread.

Appreciated, but Sass seemed to be suggesting that extreme pornography was THE cause of such desires.

 

[frogwoman]

It's so disturbing. Wtaf. Someone is making money from child-sex dolls. How the hell did this happen.

How

 

[SpackleFrog]

It's so disturbing. Wtaf. Someone is making money from child-sex dolls. How the hell did this happen.

How

I guess its not surprising in a world where people profit from pimping out kids.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Why can't you just answer that "no"?

Would you knowingly leave a kid alone with someone who collects child rape images?

No.

 

[Sasaferrato]

A photo captures real life abuse of children. A drawing may be purely imaginary.

A drawing may indeed be purely imaginary, however, if said drawing is sexually explicit, is there a difference in intent by the viewer?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think you can file this one with the point made earlier about police raiding home of suspected paedo & finding proof that he does indeed have sexual interest in kids. They find large collections of pics of kids cut from clothing catalogues etc & they find kids underwear he has bought. He has committed no crime so he cannot be charged. What this does do is expose this person's sexual interest in kids & one might hope in some cases would put the fear of god into them & stop them going any further. Correct me if I am wrong but I think this sort of behaviour even if not criminal will result in individual's name being placed on record & coming up in advanced check should they ever apply for a position working with kids?

"Internet grooming" is a criminal offence, so what I said previously means not that they hadn't interacted with supposed minors online, but that the quality of evidence produced by the police was - to put it politely - a bag of saggy arse. Within the letter of the law they'd committed a crime, but bad target-driven policing which preferred arrest figures to convictions meant (and mean) badly-executed law.
BTW, no listing without conviction AFAICR. You may end up on your local nick's watch list, but that's about all.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think it does. You have to commit a crime for the police to monitor you. Unless they think you may be a terrorist in the future.

Even then, you go on a watch list, not a public register.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're a fucking idiot.

I'm on the piss with LiamO at the moment but you can expect a full broadside later.

Just stay off the red, or we'll all be taking the piss out of your bibulous contributions!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fucking hell. Child sex dolls. I don't want to live in the world

And yer wiberals will say "better they fuck a doll than a kid/better they wank to kiddie porn than fuck a kid", missing the problem that sexual offending is very often an escalating behaviour, so the doll-fucker or one-handed surfer of the present may be the person molesting an actual kid in the future - not because they've been exposed to fuckdolls or kiddie porn, but because escalation behaviours are inherent to some forms of criminality.

 

[DotCommunist]

You're a fucking idiot.

I'm on the piss with LiamO at the moment but you can expect a full broadside later.

call him a cunt for me

 

[frogwoman]

And yer wiberals will say "better they fuck a doll than a kid/better they wank to kiddie porn than fuck a kid", missing the problem that sexual offending is very often an escalating behaviour, so the doll-fucker or one-handed surfer of the present may be the person molesting an actual kid in the future - not because they've been exposed to fuckdolls or kiddie porn, but because escalation behaviours are inherent to some forms of criminality.

Well i would argue that because of paedophilia carrying the extreme social taboo that it does, someone who is seeking kiddy porn images, even cartoon images, is probably in the process of overcoming certain psychosocial barriers preventing them from offending.

 

[frogwoman]

Everyone in England knows that if you look at child rape images the chances are you will eventually be caught and your life will be literally ruined, you will be banned from working with kids, you might as well kill yourself. Therefore for someone to seek out such material indicates that the barriers to abusing an actual child, at least in terms of fear of the consequences, are some way to being overcome. Someone who is downloading this stuff is someone who doesnt care or is willing to disregard the consequences to them as an individual, which is in itself fairly worrying. And in this society at least i would say that recklessness itself makes them a risk.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well i would argue that because of paedophilia carrying the extreme social taboo that it does, someone who is seeking kiddy porn images, even cartoon images, is probably in the process of overcoming certain psychosocial barriers preventing them from offending.

Of course. That's kind of my point - that the liberal notion that porn helps prevent rape, and that kiddie porn might help prevent kiddie rape, is a very poorly supported notion, as escalation behaviour is far more likely.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Everyone in England knows that if you look at child rape images the chances are you will eventually be caught and your life will be literally ruined, you will be banned from working with kids, you might as well kill yourself. Therefore for someone to seek out such material indicates that the barriers to abusing an actual child, at least in terms of fear of the consequences, are some way to being overcome. Someone who is downloading this stuff is someone who doesnt care or is willing to disregard the consequences to them as an individual, which is in itself fairly worrying. And in this society at least i would say that recklessness itself makes them a risk.

Although for those wishing to view such stuff, it's an era where "recklessness" is relative, given the sophistication of some "deep net" paedo-porn operations.

 

[Spymaster]

Just stay off the red, or we'll all be taking the piss out of your bibulous contributions!

We're in Coventry doing some of Liam's old haunts. Most of them serve beer in tin cans and I doubt they've heard of wine.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I'm not talking about photographs. I'm talking about drawings from somebody's imagination. What if a teacher goes home and draws naked pictures of their pupils and wanks off to them? How do you police that? How do you legislate against that?

You can't police it if you don't know about it.

If you do find out about it though, you don't let them continue working with the kids.

 

[frogwoman]

Do you have any links to the studies you have read ViolentPanda ?

Also I read a study done some years ago, that was quoted on a radfem website I was reading, that men who crossdress are more likely to have other paraphilias like an attraction to kids. This website was fairly terfish tbh but if this is true could it, rather than proving the terf position that transgender = crossdressers = rapists, back up the idea that it's socially conditioned, ie because crossdressing (or whatever) has been a taboo for so long, the taboo nature of a totally harmless activity may itself be part of the reason why other paraphiliacs engage in it more often, and if it was more socially acceptable maybe we wouldn't see this pattern?

Is that the sort of thing you are talking about with social conditioning?

 

[frogwoman]

You cannot. Police raids on homes of suspected paedos have often turned up evidence that made it obvious they were nonces but they could not be nicked because they had done nothing illegal. They had collections of kids underwear bought from shops & loads of pictures of kids cut from holiday catalogues etc. You can't nick anybody for that but I think it does allow them to be barred from working with children.

Serial killers have been convicted on the basis of drawing violent sexual images of women and this forming part of the case against them, not illegal but dodgy as fuck.