One of (if not) the biggest drivers of technological advances is warfare. Presumably you argue in favour of that also?
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One of (if not) the biggest drivers of technological advances is warfare. Presumably you argue in favour of that also?
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One of (if not) the biggest drivers of technological advances is warfare. Presumably you argue in favour of that also?
Nobody has to be in favour of it, but be wasteful not to take advantages of the technological advances it provides.
No different from taking advantage now of the high speed internet developed primarily to service the porn download industry in its infancy
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
That is exactly how air travel got going, rich businessmen hopping on to mail flights.
Has that filtered down to the masses yet?
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yeah, but they’re only giving back a fraction of what they’ve stolen. Hang them and take it all!
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I've been thinking today what has disgusted me about the car thing...maybe im just a grumpy git, but i think there is a reason why...and I think the reason is because its like an advert... in fact its not like an advert, it is an advert. There's his product floating in space, just like in a cgi advert... theres the cool association-making (with Hitch-hikers), just like in an advert...there's the appropriation of a once counter-cultural bit of music providing a soundtrack to his product, just like in an advert... when he's not sweating his employees and suppressing trade unions he is ultimately in the business of flogging cars, and he's generated an incredible amount of awareness in them around the world thanks to this viral stunt advert.
I know this isnt the exact same thing but when humans sent this off into space I could get behind that sentiment:
Theres a sense of respect and reverence for space which goes along with that.
I think Mars missions are beyond stupid, and moon missions, long ago done and dusted are now also redundant, but Im not against space science. And I like the international nature of the space station - this idea that we may be fucking the earth up royally, but in space there's some attempt amongst many scientists to rise above the way states play out their shitty politics and raise science above those politics. But with the way Musk has gone about this it seems to shit on all of that. What I see is Musks ego, Musks products, Musks share price.
When ET finds Voyager he’ll be like, “Oh, they sent us a frisbee, fab. Next time send us something useful, like a car.”
This respect and reverence for space, I do get where you’re coming from, but if we are to ever move on from space being elitist we have to normalise it, sending up a second hand motor has done just that.
bimble
floofy
Thanks for this, i had only the vaguest idea but now (thanks to the wonders of modern technology) enjoying learning what exactly is on there. It is so wonderfully 1970s.
2hats
Dust.
That turns out to have been a miscalculation on the part of SpaceX. It seems the injection burn was run till empty but initial post-burn analysis was wrong. You can stop worrying about it hitting any asteroids (and it still won’t impact Mars).
The Roadster+upper stage are now in a heliocentric orbit of 0.9 AU by 1.7 AU, so only just nudging past Mars (will pass about 100 million km from the red planet in July) and not into the asteroid belt (which is located at 2-3 AU), reaching aphelion in November. It will return to the vicinity of Earth in 2021, 2026, 2031, 2039.
The closest it gets to Mars in coming years is a distant 7 million km on 8 Oct 2020. The closest to Earth is 45 million km in March 2021.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Cor, there’s some right fucking boffs in the world.
Baronage-Phase
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Been reading a lot about Elon Musk since the thread started.
He's so "out of the box" he's potentially going to change the world in terms of the move away from fossil fuels.
The idea that the grid scale solar energy batteries developed by Tesla could replace the electricity grid .. is nothing short of genius and has already revolutionised and saved lives and communities.
He's so "out of the box" he's potentially going to change the world in terms of the move away from fossil fuels.
The idea that the grid scale solar energy batteries developed by Tesla could replace the electricity grid .. is nothing short of genius and has already revolutionised and saved lives and communities.
nuffsaid
But this goes up to 11
I'd refer to my post #275 - And I don't remember the Apollo missions having that much outside of science going on, (although I was only 4 at the time - and goggle-eyed at the whole thing) the car on the moon was functional and had a purpose, the golf was daft but towards the end.
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
You seriously think this is going to "filter down to the masses"?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
You own a smartphone? Have a think about the tech inside it and what it relies on.
Supine
Newt Member
Luckily the masses would prefer a trip to the mall rather than being ejected into space.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
Yes .. everything eventually filters down over time.
My grandparents would never have been able to afford to fly to another country. Now...we can buy a ticket to fly to another country for £50.
Nobody would have believed that could happen 60 years ago let alone 100 years ago.
Rocks from mars?
Baronage-Phase
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gosub
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That is true. But war for wars sake would be a nuts idea. I do think though there have historically been 'necessary' wars.One of (if not) the biggest drivers of technological advances is warfare. Presumably you argue in favour of that also?
It would also be wrong for me to advocate for wars per say as were one to break out I've got the equivalent of a note from my Mum excusing me from PE
2hats
Dust.
Apollo produced quite a science return, though of course most of which today could be done robotically, to a more thorough degree, producing far more data.
The golf was an improvised escapade by one of the astronauts. They all had a little fun and let off steam in odd fashions. Some took private items and left them there.
A drawing of a
(ceramic chip attached to one of the legs of the Apollo 12 lander Intrepid by a technician, ‘John F.’, along with other art).
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
All the socially-funded tech inside, you mean?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Firstly, no it doesn’t. Not everything.
Secondly, I don’t think you have factored in the vast amounts of energy required to get a very large number of people out of the gravity well. Or the associated environmental costs.
We’re well in the red on that score re: air travel in any case.
£50 is the price of the air travel ticket, but that’s not really the *cost*.
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ska invita
back on the other side
Not sure thats really the same thing...curious what urban scientists think, but far as i understand at the moment to go to space requires massive amounts of fuel and also physical preparation to handle the conditions of being in space...we're no closer to a breakthrough that would change any of that....looooong way away for that
THeres that space elevator idea though, thats quite interesting.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
I was talking about the tech used filtering down into everyday life......not common man spacewalking.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I was talking about the tech used filtering down into everyday life......not common man spacewalking.
Was there any fundamentally new tech involved with this launch? It looked to me largely like a clever application of stuff we use all the time.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
8ball stood in Kittyhawk December 1903 - "that's never gonna catch on, far too many hurdles to overcome. Any idea of the amounts of energy required to get a very large number of people off the ground..?"
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
lol yes i watched an 8 minute rocket launch and landing and was immediatly able to indentify all the specific tech used on the project
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Get back to me when you’ve finished that Dyson Sphere and we’ll see about moving on the mass space travel front.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
That’s nice, dear.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
It's the first time I've seen rockets land the way those boosters did.
That's obviously new use of tech.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
I was taking the piss out of your stupid point that it looked like to you there was no new tech
ETA from watching an 8 minute vid
