Funnily enough people who have the problems you allude to very often end up ‘inside’. One of those weird ironies.
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Funnily enough people who have the problems you allude to very often end up ‘inside’. One of those weird ironies.
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hiraethified
But that's utterly irrelevant though, isn't it?
Depends if you think orbiting a car around the sun for a billion years is of a higher priority or not.
8ball
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Not really. It says something about our priorities.
Was still way cool when those rockets landed, though.
gosub
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Yeah... Not always in a bad way though.. Rastatramp now happy in a home but he was always a gent.
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hiraethified
Yes, that's obvious. But you could say the same about mobiles/make up/cars/TVs - the money spent on them would probably alleviate homelessness too.
One are consumers the other is structural. Changing consumer choices won’t fix it so no idea why you’re making it some kind of comparison.
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hiraethified
This is silly. Stopping space launches won't fix it either so I've just illustrated the pointlessness of your comments.
It’s part of a wider argument.
I swear this place used to be progressive. 
8ball
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True, but the way we’re handing space over to capital makes it stick in the craw a little more.
Guess we’ll see how much the benefits reach the commons, but so far it’s a vertical freight business and a sideline in jollies for parasites.
How many have a cleaner at home nowadays?
8ball
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gosub
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Yous is the one barracking scientific progressI swear this place used to be progressive.
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hiraethified
How do you think the railways got built? T'is the way of the world.
So you don’t even know what is meant by progressive!
gosub
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8ball
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Sounding a bit defeatist there, bud.
And I’d expect you know a few things about the Spanish Civil War too.
gosub
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Thought he'd get stick for that.... In my experience command economies ain't good... Best counter argument ha(s/d) been Space.... Cccp kicked arse
Maybe it’s me that doesn’t then. I can’t think of a suitable alternative though.
gosub
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To link with my post above. Hear on BBC complaints about the problem with captialism is the money ends up with the profits... Which to me misses the number... Capitism is the take a punt.. if it comes in.. quids in the benefit to those who take the risk. The alternative Command based lacks the scope to take variety of punts like always backing the favourite when the ground breaking will always be left field. That said having explored both Cuba and the Philippines (a good compare and contrast) your Mean lot is probably better in Cuba... But in terms of pushing things forward, and we have to coz of population overshoot... The spread betting of capitism works
Other we hold hands in symbolism on the ISS and watch as we hit the edge of the petri dish..
Capitalism needs a tweak in favour of invested labour, but it beats command economy
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hiraethified
I'm just giving you the simple historical facts. Now can we get back to talking about this amazing scientific achievement please?
ska invita
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theyve got a new model coming out - you can pre-order it off his website...
yeah this. growing up space felt for want of a better word sacred, and treated with reverence by science.
you can just feel the commercialisation of space happening with this giant step for corporate kind
(tbf my romantic vision was never the case - it was always loaded with power politics - but this feels like an escalation in the wrong direction)
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gosub
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Needs must :-( we probably already at the point where our grand kids will be on huel diets and applying for breeding licences :-(
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Supine
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Nobody is handing anything over. Capital is just doing a better job than government funded space research at the moment. At least with big rocket research into launch vehicles.
I like the car going up. It's advertising, which helps fund the thing, but it's also a metaphor for travel and the future of space rocket ownership by individuals. I can't wait to own a rocker personally
OzT
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I am suprised it has not been mentioned in the British newspapers, or here. But Musk's only following the trend set by Top Gear when they launched a Reliant Robin shuttle into space? And yes the Robin did come back to earth as befitting a shuttle . . . .
Credit where it's due, kudos for being first to launch Robin by 3 British blokes
Credit where it's due, kudos for being first to launch Robin by 3 British blokes
Baronage-Phase
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I've been thinking today what has disgusted me about the car thing...maybe im just a grumpy git, but i think there is a reason why...and I think the reason is because its like an advert... in fact its not like an advert, it is an advert. There's his product floating in space, just like in a cgi advert... theres the cool association-making (with Hitch-hikers), just like in an advert...there's the appropriation of a once counter-cultural bit of music providing a soundtrack to his product, just like in an advert... when he's not sweating his employees and suppressing trade unions he is ultimately in the business of flogging cars, and he's generated an incredible amount of awareness in them around the world thanks to this viral stunt advert.
I know this isnt the exact same thing but when humans sent this off into space I could get behind that sentiment:
Theres a sense of respect and reverence for space which goes along with that.
I think Mars missions are beyond stupid, and moon missions, long ago done and dusted are now also redundant, but Im not against space science. And I like the international nature of the space station - this idea that we may be fucking the earth up royally, but in space there's some attempt amongst many scientists to rise above the way states play out their shitty politics and raise science above those politics. But with the way Musk has gone about this it seems to shit on all of that. What I see is Musks ego, Musks products, Musks share price.
Musk doesn't get a dime from Tesla until they beat Google..as in get to be worth $650 billion. Currently they're worth $65billion.
So....He's not actually making anything from Tesla. And won't unless they reach that figure.
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Baronage-Phase
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Musk has scientists and engineers doing work they only dreamed of before. They're working on engines and idea such as planes that will take you from London to New York in 30 minutes.
They're working faster than government funded military focussed money pits.
Also...
"In spite of Musk’s big family of five kids, he has signed the Giving Pledge back in 2012, a commitment by the world’s wealthiest individuals and families to dedicate the majority of their wealth to philanthropy. "
They're working faster than government funded military focussed money pits.
Also...
"In spite of Musk’s big family of five kids, he has signed the Giving Pledge back in 2012, a commitment by the world’s wealthiest individuals and families to dedicate the majority of their wealth to philanthropy. "
