Life as a manifestation of the universe
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Yes!
Seriously - what's wrong with you fela? It's relentless, this stupidity. And it's so unaware.
The answer is up to you. Whatever you decree, and so it is. Perceptions.
'IT' is not relentless, your interpretation is that it is relentless. "This stupidity", again this is your perception, not the reality of the situation. I'm surprised at you, ignoring the four differing levels of meaning that exist. Unless of course you're just playing around, and that, based on past form, is a good bet. I'll have a tenner on it.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
lol
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
This drivel is muddying the already muddy pool of hippy nonsense.
Do you not think you are displaying a great deal of misanthropy there?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How alive are you fela? On a scale of 1-10. 1 being living dead, 10 being living alive.
While you're (Fela Fan) at it, could you give the rest of us ratings? We want to know how dead we are to you.
There's 'situational awareness', which people like hunters, footballers, basketball players and so on have plenty of - being able to pay attention to several different things going on in different parts of their surroundings at once.
They've got more of it than those of us who spend a lot of time with our attention fixed on a screen in front of us.
But something like situational awareness is very much tied up with earthly matters like survival in the here and now.
Not at all. But it would seem you think i am. Which is fine by me. But since i hate no-one, and respect all life...
Most of the time between 9 and 10. But on rare occasions i hit the lows of a 1. Funnily enough some of those rare occasions are while here on urban dealing with you lot and succumbing to provocation! But the beauty is that the 1s don't last very long, whereas the 9s and 10s are more the default.
How about you?
How many are you speaking for? Or are you taking refuge in the crowd? In any case i can't really give individual scores for most since i don't really recall well who is who, except for the likes of butchers and kyser, but then they speak a lot round these parts.
But i will say that urban's posters from yesteryear would score much more highly than the more current lot. So many decent posters from politics and philosophy have left this site, no doubt in part because they were being forced into the living dead end of butcher's scale.
It's really down to how conscious you are of your life and in your everyday life. Why don't you give yourself a score eh?
Yeah, attention comes into it. But in what way are footballers and basketballers tied up in survival?!
Attention means one is in the here and now, and interestingly good footballers do well when they're fixed on that. Strikers going through lean patches are thinking too much, and therefore compound their problems in getting goals because they've lost attention and consciousness of what they're doing.
I do think someone whose attention is fixed on the computer screen can be fully conscious though.
I don't hate dead people, but I'm indifferent to how dead people feel. They're dead. By writing off millions of people you don't know as being living dead you show indifference to their plight. By rating yourself as being particularly alive you show that you believe you are a model for humanity. Don't you feel there is something missing in your outlook?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
lol
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
I dunno, add something about whale songs and k-holing and I might just buy it.
You're getting me a bit confused with your interpretations. Firstly i don't believe myself a model for humanity, just a person who is alive and enjoying it. Your imagination runs wild. I rated myself particularly alive because i feel particularly alive. It's hardly rocket science. You asked me, i politely answered your question. Now you have interpretation problems. Oh well.
And your imagination is also well alive by telling me i'm writing off millions of people, when in fact i've not written even one person off. What is up with your mind?
And what 'plight' are you talking about? I don't know about any plight that i can show indifference to. And in any case, i'm not showing indifference to anything, so there's another thing you're wildly interpreting.
Perhaps your own aliveness is only about 1 or 2, because i can't see how you can come up with all that rubbish. Unless you don't know what the living dead are. Perhaps that's the confusion, and i'm being polite there.
You do at least hold a most active imagination, that much can be said in your defence.
I'll quote:
fela fan said:
You mistake characterisation for interpretation when I call this "writing people off." It's a subtle distinction, but I'm sure you will get it.
Okay, fair call, i can see the difference between the two. But what about if i tell you that i was simply making observations and writing them down? And part of my observation comes not just from observing others, but observing myself. I may relate now that i am mostly alive etc etc, but what you don't get from my posts is what i was like before.
So there's two things here: firstly i'm making a non-judgmental observation, and secondly part of that observation process is self-observation.
If people are the living dead, and it's only about degrees - no-one is always living dead, no-one is always fully alive - and frequency of states of being, then by making the observation, awareness is possibly increased to the extent that people can make changes that lead to a better appreciation of life.
I thought that's what life was mostly all about, trying to enjoy it the most we can, with the help or hindrance of others. Whether i personally am a help or hindrance is for others to decide, but if i keep quiet it's unlikely i can be either.
Life may be a manifestation of the universe, but i'm arguing that that's not the necessary condition, just a first requisite. Awareness to escape the 'living dead' state of being is the real condition for LIFE.
OK, I didn't think you were being judgemental. In fact that was what was worrying me. If you think that a large proportion of humanity are the "living dead" (OK I recognise you have revised that to sometimes the "living dead") not as matter of judgement or pique but as a matter of fact, it has immediate ethical implications. I find myself asking myself "do you think the "living dead" can feel pain?" and "if their minds are already dead, does it matter if their bodies also die?". You might answer, "no" and "yes" to those questions - but if so what was your point? If you genuinely think somebody is an example of the "living dead" as a matter of fact, then you are expressing indifference to their humanity. I think you should consider that.
That's not to mention that it's extremely presumptious to think that you know what it is for other people to feel alive - what makes you tick does not necessarily make others tick.
That's not to mention that it's extremely presumptious to think that you know what it is for other people to feel alive - what makes you tick does not necessarily make others tick.
Okay, i can see the reasons for confusion. I've not been clear what i'm talking about, what i actually mean by the term 'living dead'. In my observations and understandings of life i feel that each and every one of us can be fully alive, or 'living dead', depending on the engagement of our brains and hearts and senses. Of course we could be anywhere within that continuum at any one time. Some will spend most of their time at either end of the continuum, depending on their environment and stage of personal development in life.
Life to me is an education and a journey and dealing withchange until we physically die. If we cease to learn, stop going anywhere (physically or mentally) and resist change, then we are in the state that i refer to as the 'living dead'. I guess in common lingo, if i say to myself or friends "I'm in a rut, i'm bored, i need a change in my life", then we at the living dead end of the continuum.
Hope i'm a bit clearer.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
So No Ego never came back to explain what he was on about, so the thread was given over to Fela and zombies? That's appropriate, really, given that it's his best album.
Thank you, but no. He Miss Road is.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I shall, then, respectfully change my wording to "my favourite album of his is...".
But as it happens, that title sounds almost like it's relevant to this thread...
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Is anything relevant to this thread?
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