Lib-Lab Coalition

[goldenecitrone]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/10/labour-coalition-talks-adonis

Labour must start to make contingency plans for coalition talks with the Liberal Democrats after the next election, including being prepared to offer major cabinet posts to Nick Clegg's party, Lord Adonis, one of Ed Miliband's closest policy advisers, has said.

Something to look forward to. Lib-Lab or the Ukons.

 

[butchersapron]

You know who Wintour is and who he represents right? You know who Adonis is and who he represents - right? You know what a puff piece designed to achieve a desired outcome rather than analysis is - right?

 

[J Ed]

Good, it will make the fact that most of the Labour PLP are crypto-Tories even more obvious.

 

[killer b]

the guardian say this bi-weekly. it was nonsense two weeks ago too.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Good, it will make the fact that most of the Labour PLP are crypto-Tories even more obvious.

They should just go the whole hog and prepare for a Labatory coalition.

 

[butchersapron]

The article doesn't even say that it's likely, even Adonis didn't. Did you bother reading your article GC?

 

[goldenecitrone]

The article doesn't even say that it's likely, even Adonis didn't.

Only time will tell.

 

[butchersapron]

Only time will tell.

Penetrating analysis there.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Penetrating analysis there.

Best analysis there is.

 

[Pickman's model]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/10/labour-coalition-talks-adonis



Something to look forward to. Lib-Lab or the Ukons.

this supposes there will be any lib dems to partner with and that they would be amenable to swapping partners.

 

[Pickman's model]

the guardian say this bi-weekly. it was nonsense two weeks ago too.

and it will be nonsense next time they fart it out

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Adonis was rather down on coalitions here, earlier this week.

 

[butchersapron]

Adonis was rather down on coalitions here, earlier this week.

Wintour is still rather keen though.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

OTOH, Wintour is championing the Progress story, as delivered by YouGov, that Labour will be unelectable unless Adonis and Sainsbury's will be done, so he's not going off-piste too badly.

 

[butchersapron]

He's not off piste at all, he's got the kettle on and beckoning them in. It's pretty naked.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

Lib dem brand is fucking toxic, especially after their Tory pact. About as much chance of a lib lab coalition as there is of a lab ukip one. They are destined to become an increasing irrelevance, not an ever present game changing force.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Lib dem brand is fucking toxic, especially after their Tory pact. About as much chance of a lib lab coalition as there is of a lab ukip one. They are destined to become an increasing irrelevance, not an ever present game changing force.

It's a plausible scenario; they'll certainly get some MPs and the outcome of the next election isn't obvious. There might also be an incentive to get them onside for votes affecting English issues only, to avoid West Lothian whinging.

 

[classicdish]

You know who Wintour is and who he represents right? You know who Adonis is and who he represents - right? You know what a puff piece designed to achieve a desired outcome rather than analysis is - right?

Who do Wintour and Adonis represent?

 

[butchersapron]

The SDP.

 

[redsquirrel]

The SDP.

aka scum.

 

[UhOhSeven]

If there's even a grain of truth in this report, it's more likely that the LDs are flying a kite as part of their 'differentiate and diverge' strategy.

Hopefully Labour will be able to govern without them.

 

[goldenecitrone]

If there's even a grain of truth in this report, it's more likely that the LDs are flying a kite as part of their 'differentiate and diverge' strategy.

Hopefully Labour will be able to govern without them.

If they manage to get a majority. Plenty of pitfalls ahead.

 

[articul8]

Not entirely clear what would happen if Labour is largest party but without a majority

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Not entirely clear what would happen if Labour is largest party but without a majority

It depends on whether the majority is achievable with a few nationalists and the member for Brighton Pier or whether it would take a reasonable sized rump of Cableite LDs, doesn't it?

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Politicians want power. In countries which always have no majority party elected the post election horse trading & discussions in locked rooms are the norm. The is no reason why it should not become normal in the UK. Any UK political party would be foolish to rule anything out.

 

[articul8]

yes, I guess so - but the Scots wouldn't want to be too dependent on SNP votes, so (as long as Clegg is gone) I don't see the idea of a coalition being automatically ruled out in those circumstances (not saying I'd support it necessarily, but that it wouldn't be unthinkable)

 

[Pickman's model]

Not entirely clear what would happen if Labour is largest party but without a majority

I think it is: five more years of clegg and cameron, which is to say five more years of tory-led coalition.

 

[DownwardDog]

Lib dem brand is fucking toxic, especially after their Tory pact. About as much chance of a lib lab coalition as there is of a lab ukip one. They are destined to become an increasing irrelevance, not an ever present game changing force.

Why wouldn't either of them do it if it were the only way to form a viable government? Deep seated principle? Ha-ha. Both of them (Labour and LibDem) would do it in a fucking heartbeat if it meant being in power.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

Why wouldn't either of them do it if it were the only way to form a viable government? Deep seated principle? Ha-ha. Both of them (Labour and LibDem) would do it in a fucking heartbeat if it meant being in power.

Yeah, but its not going to happen, is it? Look at the frickin polls. Labour are going to get in, and any association with the mercenary lds would tarnish them with the brush of "we will do anything to get into government" (never mind that its true, its about perception...).

 

[butchersapron]

Why wouldn't either of them do it if it were the only way to form a viable government? Deep seated principle? Ha-ha. Both of them (Labour and LibDem) would do it in a fucking heartbeat if it meant being in power.

Of course they would, but that's not how it's going to pan out - no matter how hard Wintour and the SDP-stay-behinds want it to. Lost deposit after lost deposit tells its own story.