DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Stop hating on the gays you canadian bastard
Legalising Brothels
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chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
Stop hating on the Canadan you commie bastard.
Johnny Canuck3
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Johnny Canuck3
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Are you referring to the Arafat thread?
Arafat was an evil toad who also was apparently a closeted gay man. During his tenure, aside from stealing his own people blind, his organization tortured and killed other gay men.
To me, this makes him the most execrable piece of shit imaginable, and I will make a million jokes and references to his hidden gayness, not because he was gay, but because he made his gayness the focal point of a special kind of evil.
He was an evil evil man, and he deserves to be reviled and spat at for as long as we have the strength to continue to do so.
Fat ugly hairy toad-man. His body looked like what was in his soul.
Arafat was an evil toad who also was apparently a closeted gay man. During his tenure, aside from stealing his own people blind, his organization tortured and killed other gay men.
To me, this makes him the most execrable piece of shit imaginable, and I will make a million jokes and references to his hidden gayness, not because he was gay, but because he made his gayness the focal point of a special kind of evil.
He was an evil evil man, and he deserves to be reviled and spat at for as long as we have the strength to continue to do so.
Fat ugly hairy toad-man. His body looked like what was in his soul.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
Yeah, all true (assumptions accepted) but....
The PLO did do a good job under him of waving a flag of resistance to wicked oppression didn't they?
Not that I'd condone the methods, by and large.
Principle was there though.
The PLO did do a good job under him of waving a flag of resistance to wicked oppression didn't they?
Not that I'd condone the methods, by and large.
Principle was there though.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
You have revealed yourself as a gay hater in the past week johhy. Fair play to you, hate the gays, Ya big canadian homophobe
Johnny Canuck3
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You've got it backwards as usual. You've revealed yourself to be homophobic, so I suppose it's now my job to tell it to the world.
It's for your own good.
Johnny Canuck3
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They recon that the money earmarked for the palestinian people that Arafat stole, amounts to billions, not merely millions.
I suppose there could be a number of reasons why he allowed or ordered the PLO to torture and kill gays. Perhaps it was because he realized that if it was revealed to the public that he was gay, he'd be tossed out, and thus unable to steal anymore.
So maybe he ordered or countenanced the killing and torture of gays, to prove what a macho homophobe he was, thus ensuring his ability to stay in charge, and continue to steal millions and millions of dollars.
What a sterling character.
It makes me cringe even more than when someone uses the "" smiley!
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weltweit
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The thing about legalising brothels is that you are also legalising prostitution.
Can you imagine someone on Job Seekers Allowance being told at the job centre, there is a prostitutes vacancy at the local brothel, please attend for interview, if you fail to win this job your JSA will be cut!
Can you imagine someone on Job Seekers Allowance being told at the job centre, there is a prostitutes vacancy at the local brothel, please attend for interview, if you fail to win this job your JSA will be cut!
Gmart
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They'd never dare do it! Can you imagine the outcry!
Same thing happens now with cleaning jobs, cleaning some really disgusting stuff up, but that's the way the system works. Everyone needs a job. And the current alternative where the criminals in the black economy have total control, so I'd rather legalise, and deal with the inevitable problems that throws up later.
They'd never dare do it! Can you imagine the outcry!
Too late
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2327864.ece
Gmart
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That's fine, it wouldn't be on if they decided to withdraw someone's benefit because they refused to take the job.
That story would be too hot to handle and they would never do that
But they'd be 'self employed'. This argument never works because the job centre never say "start your own business or you'll lose your benefits!"
q_w_e_r_t_y
You see an investment scam and I see divinity
Dunno if this has been posted, but the SSP produced this briefing paper on prostitution that looked at a range of different models...
www.scottishsocialistparty.org/pdfs/pamphlet1_1_final.pdf
One of the things that it makes clear was that the Swedish position was 30 years in the making - the neo-liberal toleration phase was found to be intolerable to women and the outlawing of prostitution was founded on the back of a strong, radical womens movement.
www.scottishsocialistparty.org/pdfs/pamphlet1_1_final.pdf
One of the things that it makes clear was that the Swedish position was 30 years in the making - the neo-liberal toleration phase was found to be intolerable to women and the outlawing of prostitution was founded on the back of a strong, radical womens movement.
Gmart
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The question is:
Is prostitution exploitative?
To be exploitative then there must be a victim!
If the victim refuses to accept that they are a victim, say if they wish to use this method to pay their bills or even to pay for drugs, then we can set up support networks but the industry cannot be seen as exploitative - it becomes a moral issue for the individual. If it were exploitative, then that's just like saying that selling coffee is exploitative, whereas I would say it was just meeting a demand which would be there even if there were no cafes.
No one is arguing for violence here btw, so businessmen or women who decide to set up a brothel should be accepted into the business world and pay taxes etc.
Good document Qwerty, it didn't actually comment on the NZ model, but as more countries legalise and try and fix this problem, the better practice the model will get.
For me it showed that it would seem to make more sense not to have tolerance zones in favour for having brothels which are in the yellow pages. You could quite easily have restrictions on advertising like we do now for cigarettes.
I esp liked:
And on that we agree
Remember I am just trying to minimise violence here, which is the priority of the police too.
Is prostitution exploitative?
To be exploitative then there must be a victim!
If the victim refuses to accept that they are a victim, say if they wish to use this method to pay their bills or even to pay for drugs, then we can set up support networks but the industry cannot be seen as exploitative - it becomes a moral issue for the individual. If it were exploitative, then that's just like saying that selling coffee is exploitative, whereas I would say it was just meeting a demand which would be there even if there were no cafes.
No one is arguing for violence here btw, so businessmen or women who decide to set up a brothel should be accepted into the business world and pay taxes etc.
Good document Qwerty, it didn't actually comment on the NZ model, but as more countries legalise and try and fix this problem, the better practice the model will get.
For me it showed that it would seem to make more sense not to have tolerance zones in favour for having brothels which are in the yellow pages. You could quite easily have restrictions on advertising like we do now for cigarettes.
I esp liked:
And on that we agree
Remember I am just trying to minimise violence here, which is the priority of the police too.
Gmart
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A BBC article here goes to New Zealand and finds that legalisation has led to exploitation decreasing and that the industry is getting cleaner and safer.
Meanwhile in Europe the tendency is quite the opposite, with more and more draconian prohibition laws which take no account of the wishes or rights of the workers while pursuing some kind of pseudo-religious moralistic crusade.
Still in Bristol there seem to be many brothels which operate quite openly yet without a legal status the workers are probably at greater risk! And why? Because we insist on sweeping these things under the carpet rather than addressing them head on.
All we are doing is handing an industry to the criminals if we make it illegal. the moralists might think they can somehow 'cure' our society of this, but that seems to be just wishful thinking.
Meanwhile in Europe the tendency is quite the opposite, with more and more draconian prohibition laws which take no account of the wishes or rights of the workers while pursuing some kind of pseudo-religious moralistic crusade.
Still in Bristol there seem to be many brothels which operate quite openly yet without a legal status the workers are probably at greater risk! And why? Because we insist on sweeping these things under the carpet rather than addressing them head on.
All we are doing is handing an industry to the criminals if we make it illegal. the moralists might think they can somehow 'cure' our society of this, but that seems to be just wishful thinking.
That requires the assumption that legalised brothels would attract those ladies when they wouldn't accept working in an existing brothel or on the streets.
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