butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Labour are never going to see you as anything but a rival organisation - quite rightly. They're not playing some nice game where we're all on the same side really. They want to wipe you out.
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Labour are never going to see you as anything but a rival organisation - quite rightly. They're not playing some nice game where we're all on the same side really. They want to wipe you out.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Oh I get that.
Labour under Corbyn would be a rival organisation to me as a GP member.
But it may well not be a rival organisation to me as a socialist. Therefore, it's complex (Im not talking about signing the declaration, but more generally)
Labour may see itself as rival to the Communist Party. But in the vast majority of the country the CP is not rival to Labour and actually thus encourages Labour votes. I can't sign the declaration in good conscience, but if I was in the CP I might be able to wangle it.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
...and the sooner the Green Party is rid of naive left Labour lite types and adopts a similar hostility to the Labour Party the better for its long term prospects.
The same goes for any party aiming to fill the huge void in w/c or "left" representation.
The Labour Party is your enemy. Just like the Tories or the Lib Dems.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Of course they're a rival organisation, they're competing for seats with you in local, national and european elections. it's nothing to do with sectarianism, it's like saying UKIP aren't a rival organisation to the tories or labour because a lot of people in UKIP believe the same stuff. All these parties want to improve their share of the vote and in so doing take votes from other parties ffs.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and frequently
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss".
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Thing is, it's not really my place to advise the Green Party (or TUSC SpackleFrog ) but some things leap out as so obvious (to me at least) that I can't restrain myself from passing comment.
Oh well
Oh well
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
"Mullin believes the parallels between his novel, twice adapted as a television drama by Channel 4"
twice? I remember one, with Ray McAnally, but not another
gosub
~#
Gabriel Byrne on C4 about two years ago, was different really http://www.channel4.com/programmes/secret-state
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
I'd say the opposite is true, the only way the Greens will ever pick up enough votes to win anything is by being nice to the flighty types, so when the latest wave of misplaced Labour enthusiasm crests they're there to capitalise on the disappointment. Worst thing you can do in a popularity competition is get pointlessly snarky/judgmental about people who jump to the other side, as the three stooges have been finding.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
But someone who worked as a campaign manager and is an activist for the Greens should obviously not be joining labour. Sorry free spirit I actually like you but you're totally wrong on this one.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
The green party was set up because the main parties had rubbish environmental policies. If a labour leader pushed the party towards destroying the environment at a much slower pace then the tories (I don't know enough about Corbyn to say whether he would) I can quite see why green party members might transfer allegiance because they think labour has better chance of being elected.
Just seems like tactical voting to me, I can't see why this is in the least hypocritical.
Just seems like tactical voting to me, I can't see why this is in the least hypocritical.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I find myself agreeing with quite a few of the punchlines
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
The day the Greens "pick up enough votes to win anything" is the day they start to collapse.
Nice solid 5-10%, occasional "shock results" and a niche of principled opposition is their sustainable position.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
teqniq
DisMembered
Yeah me too.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Come and hear the bearded Billy Graham of retro Social Democracy.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
How is there not an Obama/Hope/Corbyn poster mash-up yet? 
By which I mean my cursory google didn't produce one.
By which I mean my cursory google didn't produce one.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
If he could get the sort of audiences out that a Billy Graham Crusade did then maybe he'd actually be on to something
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Labour hierarchy logic.
On UKIP supporters : "We must listen to their concerns"
On 40%+ of Labour members: "They are insane and out of touch".
On UKIP supporters : "We must listen to their concerns"
On 40%+ of Labour members: "They are insane and out of touch".
Its perfectly possible to be a supporter of the Labour party and a member of the green party, I don't really see any contradiction in that. But then I don't really see the green party as much more than a pressure group.But someone who worked as a campaign manager and is an activist for the Greens should obviously not be joining labour. Sorry free spirit I actually like you but you're totally wrong on this one.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
It's a bit of a shit cult really. Old style evangelists would have ripped the life savings out of their believers. Jeremy's gig is 'come down to the stage if you've been saved. Oh and give your £3 to the attendants'.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
at least corbyn isn't flogging shitty insipid love-songs-to-jesus tapes what he done on acoustic guitar. That shit always makes me look fondly on them old hymns about crushing the unrighteous and so on. The lib dem of baptist revival
Has Oaten joined up?
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