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In short, vote Corbyn to fuck the Labour party and speed up the incremental process that will lead to a socialist society.
yes, I've heard others argue roughly the same thing. It's not really an argument that is going to win over any sympathetic minds currently in the LP, is it? Do it, if that's your bag, but, for god's sake, don't tell anyone that's why you're doing it!
 
The thing with the Militant (and the SWP for that matter) is that despite the strategy and rhetoric they can't quite break with Labourism and still see it as the party 'of the class' to varying degrees at different moments.

It says something that months after the election that some in the SP would rather throw their lot in with a social democrat like Corbyn than try to develop a pro working class voice in the communities that they stood for election in.

I don't think you've read the SP statements on Corbyn - we're certainly not going to register as supporters and vote for him. We are agitating for him and his little group to turn away from the Labour Party and towards those who support him. He'll either lose or win and be driven out so it probably won't surprise many that that's the line we're taking.

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/ar...rites-terror-at-popularity-of-left-wing-ideas
 
While I'm not surprised at Labour cracking down on people from other parties joining I don't see it as a moral wrong really. Is it any different to being a member of the CBI or the Henry Jackson Society and joining the Labour Party?
 
While I'm not surprised at Labour cracking down on people from other parties joining I don't see it as a moral wrong really. Is it any different to being a member of the CBI or the Henry Jackson Society and joining the Labour Party?

Of course it's not wrong but they'll use it to declare the results invalid, and the Labour Left blame everything on us as it is.
 
I don't think you've read the SP statements on Corbyn - we're certainly not going to register as supporters and vote for him. We are agitating for him and his little group to turn away from the Labour Party and towards those who support him. He'll either lose or win and be driven out so it probably won't surprise many that that's the line we're taking.

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/ar...rites-terror-at-popularity-of-left-wing-ideas

this was individual members rather than the leadership.
 
this was individual members rather than the leadership.

Some are, which I think is daft, but don't really care, let them. It's not "The Line".

Tony Mulhearn just re-applied to join the Labour Party, but he does that all the time.
 
I don't think you've read the SP statements on Corbyn - we're certainly not going to register as supporters and vote for him. We are agitating for him and his little group to turn away from the Labour Party and towards those who support him. He'll either lose or win and be driven out so it probably won't surprise many that that's the line we're taking.

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/ar...rites-terror-at-popularity-of-left-wing-ideas

I was responding to the post of Frogwoman which concerned individuals but seen as you are here in the event of a JC win and the formation of a '100% anti austerity new workers party' (according to Hannah Sell) what would the SP do? Surely you couldn't stand against such a formation as TUSC?
 
Degsy was insisting on Newsnight last night, he holds a LP card at the moment. I suspect it's still his 1986 one he's held onto tho

He rejoined a while ago, they gave him a card but I don't think they're happy about it.
 
I was responding to the post of Frogwoman which concerned individuals but seen as you are here in the event of a JC win and the formation of a '100% anti austerity new workers party' (according to Hannah Sell) what would the SP do? Surely you couldn't stand against such a formation as TUSC?

Read the press statement?

"Whatever the outcome of the Labour leadership election, these events show the popularity of socialist ideas and the possibility of organising around them. In the face of endless austerity we urgently need a party that is prepared to oppose it. If Jeremy is defeated in the election we would urge him and his supporters to escape from the prison of a Labour Party led by a pro-austerity leader and to begin to build such a party - with a clear anti-cuts, socialist programme.

However, if Jeremy Corbyn wins, he will face open revolt from the right wing that dominates the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Labour machine. Of the 232 members of the Parliamentary Labour Party only nine are members of the Socialist Campaign Group to which Jeremy Corbyn belongs. Already Labour MPs are threatening to trigger another contest immediately in order to get Jeremy Corbyn 'out by Christmas'.

Far from respecting democracy the Blairites, as Bertolt Brecht put it, want to dissolve the electorate and get a new one! In this situation Jeremy Corbyn would need to mobilise the maximum possible support from across the workers' movement. We would encourage him to organise a conference of all those who have voted for him, plus the many trade unions - including non-affiliated unions like the RMT, PCS and FBU - which support his programme. The Socialist Party would be happy to participate in such a conference and would encourage other TUSC supporters to do the same."
 
As someone who worked for Labour in a Tory marginal and got our candidate Cat Smith elected on a Socialist ticket.

Lancaster and Fleetwood is a highly marginal seat, we won by being true to core Labour values.

Not once did I hear we were anti business or being against wealth creation. What was common was insecurity, threats to the environment from Fracking, public sector pay freezes And the most common was ZERO hour contracts from a diverse range of voters all concerned about poor pay, the one sided contracts.

I get the impression these candidates were checked for Blairite tendencies, they were all middle class PEE graduates.

Cat came from a working class background. gave up 2 years of her life, lives in the city and spent countless hours talking and building relationships with local people.
That's how you win elections We had a huge army of volunteers door knocking ( it does work, ask the Tories and they tell it does).

We also had a large Voter Registration drive, that is something that thankfully even Harriet Harman sussed is a big issue. Apathy, a split between two nationalist parties did us in as well as failing the leadership failing to defend their record in office and oppose austerity.

Plus these Kendalites, wouldnt have got their hands dirty at the coalface of 'building relationships' by meeting people in their own homes, listening to them and being genuine human being and having a personality, a sense of humour and not take life seriously, instead of some false and wishy washy Blairite with sound bites.

Northerns can smell Blairites a mile off, they get told to foxtrot Oscar on the doorsteps.
If Labour failed to connect how the feck do they explain Dennis Skinner's continued electoral success? Leftwing candidates winning ?

Being Tory lite like the Fibbers were, was catastrophic. Let's be true to our roots.

Posted elsewhere as a counter to the Seven Blairites and their Fabian report..
 
One of those seven (or at least one) was a key ed milband player. Don't let them off the hook by pretending they're all just blairites. These people are a massive part of the party and have been for decades now, not cuckoos. That means the soft left too.
 
Degsy was insisting on Newsnight last night, he holds a LP card at the moment. I suspect it's still his 1986 one he's held onto tho
They keep trying to fit their narrative that this is a rerun of the 80s. Even David Owen wasn't biting last week so now they've dug up Derek Hatton from Merseyside Talkshit FM to represent the sinister tentacles of Militant that are encircling the Labour Party. Next week on Newsnight: Molly Ringwald and Judd Nelson explain why Corbyn is a Commie bastard. Its interesting that an economics correspondent like Evan Davies would rather asks questions about hypocrite Hatton's property developing than discuss Corbyn's economic agenda. I know its a loaded term but I don't know why Davies thinks that socialists shouldn't develop houses.
 
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