Labour leadership

[DotCommunist]

mcdonnel talked a good talk.

 

[billy_bob]

This utterly deranged piece in the Financial Times has just been quoted by the graun. I dunno where to start.

Quite baffling. It feels slightly like they're saying that having principles is a bourgeois luxury. Which even if it made sense would be an odd line of attack coming from the FT.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Nice choice of music following Corbyn's speech: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...xoH06gJBZ9l3kH4b2Gg3tQ&bvm=bv.103627116,d.bGQ

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[agricola]

Some glorious post-speech whinging on BBC News right now.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I like the way they got a morbidly obese word-slurring UKIP guy (and was that a goitre?) to represent the 'Typical Northerner' point of view

 

[agricola]

I like the way they got a morbidly obese word-slurring UKIP guy (and was that a goitre?) to represent the 'Typical Northerner' point of view

... and (on the Daily Politics at least) they let Lance Price cry his bitter albeit hilarious tears all over the speech, with nary an intervention from someone on the pro-Corbyn side.

 

[The Pale King]

... and (on the Daily Politics at least) they let Lance Price cry his bitter albeit hilarious tears all over the speech, with nary an intervention from someone on the pro-Corbyn side.

Truly unbelievable - it was a good speech and they got this no-mark malcontent to rubbish it with no comeback.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

... and (on the Daily Politics at least) they let Lance Price cry his bitter albeit hilarious tears all over the speech, with nary an intervention from someone on the pro-Corbyn side.

Yep, I think he was meant to be the 'pro-labour' response

I've never heard of him, but his online bio suggests an embittered Blairite wank-stain of some kind

 

[Pickman's model]

mcdonnel talked a good talk.

he always does

 

[DotCommunist]

lol at c-byns outro music.

 

[Azrael]

[...] No one would or should have had any illusions that Corby was going to seek real change at the system level - absolutely, that's not disputed. However amid the 'optimism' of the campaign there was a, not surprising, focus on what could be done, the positive stuff. However this is all a reminder that social democracy isn't an alternative to capital, to the logic of the market, to the 'imperatives' of the deficit. It's not that he's betraying social democracy - he's doing it.

Moving from dog-eat-dog neoliberalism to a mixed-economy is, surely, major systemic change, the difference between a "right to work" state of the Union, and Scandinavia/Germany.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

tory echo chamber commentariat are frothing. They don't get it, left behind on what's been happening among the masses in recent years, while they were braying at their jerk-circle dinner parties

 

[elbows]

Laura Kuenssberg came out with this:

Labour conference: An activist's speech from leader Corbyn? - BBC News

He hardly mentioned how to balance the books, there was little appeal to those outside the party.

Yeah nobody outside Labour could possibly care that he said that the people of Britain didn't have to take what they were given, or that there is an alternative. People don't want an alternative, they want to be patronised with a mild variation of the usual script. Fuck off BBC.

 

[stethoscope]

Laura Kuenssberg, Norman Smith, Nick Robinson - wished they'd fuck off the lot of 'em.

 

[treelover]

Trident, Syria, Refugees, Peace, Anti-Imperialism, Human Rights, all laudable, but not going to win over the wider public,

I may have missed it only the G, but was there anything about sanctions, sucidies, etc?

I know he did mention housing, mental health.

 

[belboid]

welfare would no more win over the 'wider public' than the things you mention, so he probly shouldn't bang on about that, by your logic.

 

[elbows]

If he'd won over the 'wider public' via this years conference then we'd probably just be treated to a load of shit about how he's peaked too soon anyway.

This far away from a general election, and considering the shift in Labour and the issues it has to deal with when changing, I think its fine for this years conference to be inward looking anyway.

 

[Zabo]

I liked what he said today. Policies can wait until later - plenty of time. It was about him setting a clear marker as to the Party he is going to lead. The rapturous applause vindicated not only his own personal philosophy but sent out a clear message to his detractors both inside and outside of the party.

As for the media, they need to wake up. They need to realise they are no longer the only conduit between a previous and indeed an existing self-serving elite and the public. They need to realise the Social Media will play an important part in the future. I hope the days of their feeding from the trough from the likes of Campbell and McBride are long gone. Likewise I hope the instructions and threats from the master to toe the line are also gone.

We'll have to wait until tomorrow to see how the 'tired media' respond. No doubt the Guardian with its bloated stable of anti-Corbyn hacks will have much fat to spit out given they have been on a loser since he was nominated.

One can only hope for a brighter future and for the full engagement of communities across the land.

 

[oryx]

Laura Kuenssberg came out with this:

Labour conference: An activist's speech from leader Corbyn? - BBC News



Yeah nobody outside Labour could possibly care that he said that the people of Britain didn't have to take what they were given, or that there is an alternative. People don't want an alternative, they want to be patronised with a mild variation of the usual script. Fuck off BBC.

re the Kuenssberg quote - did McDonnell not set out yesterday how they proposed to 'balance the books'?

 

[elbows]

As for the media, they need to wake up. They need to realise they are no longer the only conduit between a previous and indeed an existing self-serving elite and the public. They need to realise the Social Media will play an important part in the future.

Already known to them and the powers that be. A number of government papers around this decade or last that were crying about a decline in audience for traditional 'trusted' 'quality' news sources.

And this fun from the BBC in April last year:

A review of the BBC's news output has found it to be "trusted and highly regarded by audiences" but suggests some viewers can find it "distant".

Conducted by the BBC Trust, the review also expresses concern that "younger audiences' use of broadcast news is continuing to decline".

It says "there is a risk that they may not turn to the BBC as they get older, as has traditionally been the case."

BBC News 'can feel distant', says Trust report - BBC News

 

[gosub]

I liked what he said today. Policies can wait until later - plenty of time. It was about him setting a clear marker as to the Party he is going to lead. The rapturous applause vindicated not only his own personal philosophy but sent out a clear message to his detractors both inside and outside of the party.

As for the media, they need to wake up. They need to realise they are no longer the only conduit between a previous and indeed an existing self-serving elite and the public. They need to realise the Social Media will play an important part in the future. I hope the days of their feeding from the trough from the likes of Campbell and McBride are long gone. Likewise I hope the instructions and threats from the master to toe the line are also gone.

We'll have to wait until tomorrow to see how the 'tired media' respond. No doubt the Guardian with its bloated stable of anti-Corbyn hacks will have much fat to spit out given they have been on a loser since he was nominated.

One can only hope for a brighter future and for the full engagement of communities across the land.

mainstream media is still king. Less so than it was, but still king. A lot of social media just acts as an echo chamber which can be useful but unhelpful in equal measures, what you think is widespread is rebounding around the faithful. Create a platform that's consistent, coherent, articulate and cuts through to the bloke on the street, chances are mainstream media will end up putting you on the payroll.

 

[Zabo]

Already known to them and the powers that be. A number of government papers around this decade or last that were crying about a decline in audience for traditional 'trusted' 'quality' news sources.

And this fun from the BBC in April last year:

BBC News 'can feel distant', says Trust report - BBC News

Years ago there was a Media Watch organisation. I think it was based in Glasgow(?). It needs to be reactivated. I've been doing my own monitoring of the main R4 and R5 news. It is incredible how many 'right-wing' commentators they have as so called 'guests'. Last night was a prime example with Rhod Sharp. He was discussing the Syrian conflict with none other than a military attaché from some American Naval School. Talk about right wing! And of course there was nobody to offer a counter argument. Who needs balance?

As for Kuenssberg, Smith, Robinson and Peinar. They like excitement and if I may be impolite: shit stirring. They seem to have forgotten what their precise role is and have confused it with making themselves 'the star' of the programme. As for today, the guest 'independent' commentator on the R5 Party coverage was non other than Dan Hodges!

I recall the Spitting Image of the press portrayed as pigs if anybody can remember them?

 

[agricola]

Alex Massie in "The scandal that lasted an hour".

 

[elbows]

I recall the Spitting Image of the press portrayed as pigs if anybody can remember them?

And vultures.

 

[J Ed]

Years ago there was a Media Watch organisation. I think it was based in Glasgow(?). It needs to be reactivated. I've been doing my own monitoring of the main R4 and R5 news. It is incredible how many 'right-wing' commentators they have as so called 'guests'. Last night was a prime example with Rhod Sharp. He was discussing the Syrian conflict with none other than a military attaché from some American Naval School. Talk about right wing! And of course there was nobody to offer a counter argument. Who needs balance?

As for Kuenssberg, Smith, Robinson and Peinar. They like excitement and if I may be impolite: shit stirring. They seem to have forgotten what their precise role is and have confused it with making themselves 'the star' of the programme. As for today, the guest 'independent' commentator on the R5 Party coverage was non other than Dan Hodges!

I recall the Spitting Image of the press portrayed as pigs if anybody can remember them?

Media Lens - Media Lens - News Analysis and Media Criticism

 

[J Ed]

Ever since the election I've thought about the term which is used in the Spanish speaking world to describe media monstering of leftist parties on behalf of the oligarchy, terrorismo mediático or media terrorism, maybe it's time for people to start to think of the media's behaviour in this country in the same way.

 

[Zabo]

Cheers J Ed.

 

[Fingers]

Lance Price, former advisor to Blair. loved watching his arse cheeks clench and his face screw up after the Corbyn speech

Meanwhile the Standard are spitting bricks of shit now the conference went well

Now we will see what Jeremy Corbyn is really made of

 

[treelover]

Yep, I think he was meant to be the 'pro-labour' response

I've never heard of him, but his online bio suggests an embittered Blairite wank-stain of some kind

One of Blairs spin doctors, afaik.

 

[JimW]

Media Lens - Media Lens - News Analysis and Media Criticism

Think Zabo has the Glasgow Media Group in mind, if I have the right lot they did some good coverage of bias in reporting of industrial disputes etc.